If preaching is so important, why not use the Internet and email? Why Hide?

by WingCommander 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • WingCommander
    WingCommander

    Dear Forum:

    Just a question I've had for years now. I opened up the newest WatchTower that my mother gave me (the one with the Memorial Observance on the front) and in one of the articles it mentions an internet site as a reference!!! Holy $H|T!! I thought the internet was forbidden, and nothing more than a bed for the apostate whores? Surprise, Surprise. The WatchTower using something forbidden to prove one of their points, but in the same breathe forbidding everyone else to use it to double check anything.

    Also, why is the Borganization not using the internet to preach the good news? I mean, they are always complaining about their printing costs, why not post the ENTIRE contents of the AWAKE! & Watchtower on their site for immediate download every month by countless millions around the world?? Think of the instant money they would save!! Also, there would not be as much need for door-to-door work. I have heard countless times of the resources Jesus would use today if he were on Earth, so why wouldn't he use this one to reach millions? Is it not a tool? Also, the many that are disabled and handicapped whom can't get to the meetings each week would surely benefit from this.

    Why? Why? I think the answer is simple. If they were to do that, they would soon loose their grip on people's every movement. Simple, they want you to get your literature straight from them, at the literature counter, so you are FORCED to come to the KingDumb Hall and eat from the troof like everyone else.

    Plainly, this is total bull$hit. A complete farce. To have such a resource out there and not use it simply proves how they want you under their thumb day in and day out.

    Any other thoughts on this matter?

    Thanks, Wing Commander

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    ... Because keeping the dubbies occupied with pounding on doors is another control mechanism; i.e. ``busy work'' to occupy them use up as much of their free time as possible, keep the presses running (thereby assuring Bethel's continued existence) and assuage the guilt they get dumped onto them at the meetings.

  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Two things... control and money...

    Like you pointed out, the current system requires people to make direct face-to-face contact with a JW... this allows very close monitoring.

    Now the money... it is a well known fact that if the WTS does not receive contributions equal too or greater than the value of the literature that is picked up, they will send the congregation a letter stating that they will not receive any more literature until the "books are settled". They claim to have everything on a donation basis.... what they don't say is that they won't give you anything if you don't give THEM anything. Bottom line: It?s a business and they are out to make money.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    This was just a draft of an idea for a story I knoced up and forgot about...

    No one really knows who the first apocracker was. The ?New World Society? had risen from the ashes of the WTBTS after the class-action suits of the mid-noughties had financially gutted the old mother-corporation and printing company. There were many who had grown up as a Jehovah?s Witnesses and already got out by the time the ?New Light? had made most JW?s virtual techno-hermits, but for those who grew up in that environment...

    Shaun stared out of the window. The slats of the shutters made a clear view of everything at once quite impossible, but by moving his head to-and-from, he could build up a composite image of the road outside. The tree. The decaying mailbox at the end of the front lawn. The assortment of cars parked outside, changing position from time to time, but, barring visitors to their neighbours, the same selection.

    Shaun wondered what it was like in the other houses. Every morning, in the long summer afternoons, the short, sharp snow-bound winter afternoons, and the weekends throughout the year, people roundabout moved and pulsed in a pattern of activity. Flocks of kids running around, shouting, laughing, fighting, a few faces standing out either through being the followed or the harrassed. Kids getting together and getting on the large yellow bus each weekday, bar a few weeks here and there when they seemed to run loose. Adults getting the local transport bus that Shaun rode with his parents on their rare trips into town, every morning, and returning, or jumping into cars or on bikes and disappearing early in the day. Other adults, mostly women, but sometimes (most peculiarly) men, seemingly spending the day round the house, visible occasionally through windows, or on trips laden with either small children or shopping bags. Others, sat as he was, in front of a computer most of the day, working or studying online.

    Of course, they were on rather different lines. He knew the story well, how his father had been in a chat room and had his mind opened in a conversation with another Witness when the ?state of the world? had come up as a topic. How his father had studied as a non-subscriber before making the big move and severing his links with the world, joining the Christian Congregation of Jehovah?s Witnesses, and subscribing to From that point, all the information had come through the New Society?s online service, JWOL. News, entertainment, scriptural information, study material, screened Internet access, online stores, a whole ?cradle-to-grave? service, including specially selected doctors that allowed the faithful Witness to isolate themselves from the wicked modern world. How his father had met his mother, in a secure chatroom, their cautious, text-based courtship, a few heavily chaperoned meetings, their marriage, and the production of seven children, four sons, three daughters. How they gathered together with like minded people online, rather than risk contaminating themselves with the world.

    They never got any mail. Not even the colourful envelopes that Shaun could see being posted into the neighbours? mail boxes most days, that were more-or-less always thrown into the trash cans kept in the side passages of the wood-framed, genteelly decaying houses, in the sprawling yet ubiquitous suburbs of a small Pennsylvanian town. As for visitors? well, deliveries of goods bought online from the Organisation, and very occasionally members of the local congregation.

    Actually, ?congregation? was pushing it, unless one was willing to concede that one could virtually congregate together. ?Local? also was a rather loose term, even applying to a family of converted Amish two hours drive across the State. But congregate they did.

    Shuan, clicked on the ?Next? button, almost instinctively. Experimentation had given him a spooky gut feeling about when one of the ?angaels? would consider the spiritual food he was viewing was taking a little too long to digest. If any screen was viewed for too long, the quasi-intelligent programs monitoring the dataflows running deep within the network of dataflows that flowed to the heart of JWOL would pop-up on screen, and ask if help were needed. Well, that was the better of the two options; the tireless observation through the camera sited above his screen, positioned, as it was in every room, to sweep the length of the room, was the real killer. No matter how hard you tried, if you got into trouble and were monitored, it took superhuman control to avoid inadvertently attracting further attention.

    The angaels were the thin end of the edge. If your behaviour was warranted bad enough, you could even come under observation from .

    As with congregation, was a loose term. The house of god now extended to whomever was judged spiritually mature enough to be appointed to a position of quite literal oversight. grouped these together in a roughly regional fashion, to shepherd each area?s congregation. These elders, whilst having certain privileges commensurate with their trustworthiness and spiritual maturity, were also subject to the observations of the angaels, and could equally be bought to the attention of Network Overseers if any slackness was detected. Each adult Jehovah?s Witness was expected to spend hours working online, contracted out to do virtually any task that didn?t require leaving the house, the Elders were overseers not just of spiritual life but of individual workgroups.

    If you kept the pages turning regularly in the various mandated weekly studies, and were smartly dressed in front of the screen when the online meeting were being webcast, and you could spend a large amount of time in your head, you could actually avoid taking on too much of the relentless tide of material that flowed from the screen. If you did really badly in the monthly tests, you were asking for trouble, but, from Shaun?s experience being averagely bad was best. On the occasions he had actually tried, the tide of bonhomie flowing through the screen from his Congregation Overseer was disturbing. Innocuous phrases like ?strong potential? and ?reaching out for privileges? tended to be bandied around. One of the few kids in the New Society living in his immediate vicinity was a regular little goody-goody, and no was he gpoig to be anything like him.

    Shuan also had to complete the educational studies. This was indeed a mixed dish. Some of it, well, it just bothered him. The literature spoke frequently of false scientific theory, often with great sarcasm and in the most scathing of terms. The actual theory that was so terrible was not really outlined in great detail? just passing references to god dishonouring theories of the origins of mankind, and standard arguments to use against worldly people should the opportunity arise. Additional data was hard to come by. Just as goofing around in front of the screen when one should be studying could get you into trouble, the few times Stuart has tried searching for information, the ever present angaels would swoop.

    But, sometimes, when he was lurking in a chatroom somewhere on the Net and spotted an opening for one of the feed-lines that he had been trained to use to Witness to people, the ensuing conversation gave him little titbits of information. Some was deeply technical stuff he found it very hard to understand - there were huge gaps in the online learning he got from the New Society - but it gave him a vocabulary of terms that allowed him to access information without triggering the angaels...

    Edited by request; I pasted it in straight from Word...

    Any one want anymore..?

  • acsot
    acsot
    it is a well known fact that if the WTS does not receive contributions equal too or greater than the value of the literature that is picked up, they will send the congregation a letter stating that they will not receive any more literature until the "books are settled".

    Really? I learn more from this board than I ever did during all my ____ years as a faithful dub.

    How could I have been so stupid for so long ??...............

  • gumby
    gumby

    The apostle paul used plenty of "mail" to preach...didn't he? The epistles.....all of the books of the bible except the Gospels, were sent letters. The point was to get the message to someone somehow. The internet could work wonders in cutting the cost of many facets within the organisation.

    The society will use modern means...even surpassing christendom ... in their advancements in printing, yet will insist the preaching work MUST be carried out as it was performed by the first diciples which is door to door. I think they should carry out their letter writing just like the apostles did too then. By hand. I think they should deliver their mail like the apostles did also. Walking, camel, mule, or horseback. Why not? They want to mimick the style and method of how they preached in the first century........they can print the same way too. Fair is fair.

    Aside from all the reasons mentioned why the door to door method is used by the society.......they ALSO like to blow their trumpets. Having carloads of well dressed and groomed, bookbag carrying , brainwashed puppets flooding the streets, make the bigboys happy.

    Gumby

    Gumby

  • undercover
    undercover
    Now the money... it is a well known fact that if the WTS does not receive contributions equal too or greater than the value of the literature that is picked up, they will send the congregation a letter stating that they will not receive any more literature until the "books are settled". They claim to have everything on a donation basis.... what they don't say is that they won't give you anything if you don't give THEM anything. Bottom line: It?s a business and they are out to make money.

    Wow. I didn't know that. They'll actually cut off shipping publications to a congregation if they "owe" money for "outstanding" debt? And this is supposed to be a donation only arrangement.

    It's not so much a business as it is a shake down racket. Hmmm. the WTS is headquartered in New York. I wonder if they learned their business ethics from that other famous New York organization, the Mafia?

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12

    Wing Commander. Nice to see you. Good Question!

    garybuss started a similar thread a while back: WT Literature . . . . How important is it? by garybuss

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/68198/1065549/post.ashx#1065549

    Without printing and placing the publications door to door, there would be no way to monitor the amount of time spent in the field service.

    If you can't monitor a publisher's time in field service, how are the elders / circuit overseers / district overseers / bethel branches / Governing Body / Jehovah to determine just holy you are, and bestow you with privelages within the congregation, and utimately everlasting life ?

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12

    Abaddon. Could you reformat your post. It's smaller than your p***ker in your avatar, and I can't see it

  • gumby
    gumby

    (edited just for xjw.....so the poor old bastard could read the print) This was just a draft of an idea for a story I knoced up and forgot about...

    No one really knows who the first apocracker was. The ?New World Society? had risen from the ashes of the WTBTS after the class-action suits of the mid-noughties had financially gutted the old mother-corporation and printing company. There were many who had grown up as a Jehovah?s Witnesses and already got out by the time the ?New Light? had made most JW?s virtual techno-hermits, but for those who grew up in that environment...

    Shaun stared out of the window. The slats of the shutters made a clear view of everything at once quite impossible, but by moving his head to-and-from, he could build up a composite image of the road outside. The tree. The decaying mailbox at the end of the front lawn. The assortment of cars parked outside, changing position from time to time, but, barring visitors to their neighbours, the same selection.

    Shaun wondered what it was like in the other houses. Every morning, in the long summer afternoons, the short, sharp snow-bound winter afternoons, and the weekends throughout the year, people roundabout moved and pulsed in a pattern of activity. Flocks of kids running around, shouting, laughing, fighting, a few faces standing out either through being the followed or the harrassed. Kids getting together and getting on the large yellow bus each weekday, bar a few weeks here and there when they seemed to run loose. Adults getting the local transport bus that Shaun rode with his parents on their rare trips into town, every morning, and returning, or jumping into cars or on bikes and disappearing early in the day. Other adults, mostly women, but sometimes (most peculiarly) men, seemingly spending the day round the house, visible occasionally through windows, or on trips laden with either small children or shopping bags. Others, sat as he was, in front of a computer most of the day, working or studying online.

    Of course, they were on rather different lines. He knew the story well, how his father had been in a chat room and had his mind opened in a conversation with another Witness when the ?state of the world? had come up as a topic. How his father had studied as a non-subscriber before making the big move and severing his links with the world, joining the Christian Congregation of Jehovah?s Witnesses, and subscribing to From that point, all the information had come through the New Society?s online service, JWOL. News, entertainment, scriptural information, study material, screened Internet access, online stores, a whole ?cradle-to-grave? service, including specially selected doctors that allowed the faithful Witness to isolate themselves from the wicked modern world. How his father had met his mother, in a secure chatroom, their cautious, text-based courtship, a few heavily chaperoned meetings, their marriage, and the production of seven children, four sons, three daughters. How they gathered together with like minded people online, rather than risk contaminating themselves with the world.

    They never got any mail. Not even the colourful envelopes that Shaun could see being posted into the neighbours? mail boxes most days, that were more-or-less always thrown into the trash cans kept in the side passages of the wood-framed, genteelly decaying houses, in the sprawling yet ubiquitous suburbs of a small Pennsylvanian town. As for visitors? well, deliveries of goods bought online from the Organisation, and very occasionally members of the local congregation.

    Actually, ?congregation? was pushing it, unless one was willing to concede that one could virtually congregate together. ?Local? also was a rather loose term, even applying to a family of converted Amish two hours drive across the State. But congregate they did.

    Shuan, clicked on the ?Next? button, almost instinctively. Experimentation had given him a spooky gut feeling about when one of the ?angaels? would consider the spiritual food he was viewing was taking a little too long to digest. If any screen was viewed for too long, the quasi-intelligent programs monitoring the dataflows running deep within the network of dataflows that flowed to the heart of JWOL would pop-up on screen, and ask if help were needed. Well, that was the better of the two options; the tireless observation through the camera sited above his screen, positioned, as it was in every room, to sweep the length of the room, was the real killer. No matter how hard you tried, if you got into trouble and were monitored, it took superhuman control to avoid inadvertently attracting further attention.

    The angaels were the thin end of the edge. If your behaviour was warranted bad enough, you could even come under observation from .

    As with congregation, was a loose term. The house of god now extended to whomever was judged spiritually mature enough to be appointed to a position of quite literal oversight. grouped these together in a roughly regional fashion, to shepherd each area?s congregation. These elders, whilst having certain privileges commensurate with their trustworthiness and spiritual maturity, were also subject to the observations of the angaels, and could equally be bought to the attention of Network Overseers if any slackness was detected. Each adult Jehovah?s Witness was expected to spend hours working online, contracted out to do virtually any task that didn?t require leaving the house, the Elders were overseers not just of spiritual life but of individual workgroups.

    If you kept the pages turning regularly in the various mandated weekly studies, and were smartly dressed in front of the screen when the online meeting were being webcast, and you could spend a large amount of time in your head, you could actually avoid taking on too much of the relentless tide of material that flowed from the screen. If you did really badly in the monthly tests, you were asking for trouble, but, from Shaun?s experience being averagely bad was best. On the occasions he had actually tried, the tide of bonhomie flowing through the screen from his Congregation Overseer was disturbing. Innocuous phrases like ?strong potential? and ?reaching out for privileges? tended to be bandied around. One of the few kids in the New Society living in his immediate vicinity was a regular little goody-goody, and no was he gpoig to be anything like him.

    Shuan also had to complete the educational studies. This was indeed a mixed dish. Some of it, well, it just bothered him. The literature spoke frequently of false scientific theory, often with great sarcasm and in the most scathing of terms. The actual theory that was so terrible was not really outlined in great detail? just passing references to god dishonouring theories of the origins of mankind, and standard arguments to use against worldly people should the opportunity arise. Additional data was hard to come by. Just as goofing around in front of the screen when one should be studying could get you into trouble, the few times Stuart has tried searching for information, the ever present angaels would swoop.

    But, sometimes, when he was lurking in a chatroom somewhere on the Net and spotted an opening for one of the feed-lines that he had been trained to use to Witness to people, the ensuing conversation gave him little titbits of information. Some was deeply technical stuff he found it very hard to understand - there were huge gaps in the online learning he got from the New Society - but it gave him a vocabulary of terms that allowed him to access information without triggering the angaels...

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