Asembly security questions

by Skimmer 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • Preston
    Preston

    1) Is it a given that anyone who tries to get in without a convention badge is going to be carefully scrutinized? Questioned? Tailed?

    Heck! The day I served on security even I wasn't even permitted to get in!

    2) Are all of the security staff JWs, or to they hire for some of the positions? I have heard that they do hire armed guards for cash transport.

    The conventions I served on consisted of only JW staff. It's better to hire labor that you can't pay for where you can expect the service anyway.

    3) Does the security crew use two way radio? Has anyone checked which frequencies they use?

    I wouldn't know...they usually use two soup cans with a piece of string connected in between.

    4) Would it be fairly easy to make a badge that looked a whole lot like an official badge? I'm not suggesting counterfeiting, but rather something that was close enough without being fraudulent.

    They usually make their badges at stores that are easily accessible to the public. The problem is they usually only hand them out the day of the convention early int he morning before anyone else has arrived.

    5) Has anyone tried attending with press credentials?

    I haven't

    Bonus: If you could have a balloon inflated at a WTBTS assembly, what would you want painted on its side? "THIS WAS COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR! - GOD"

  • Skimmer
    Skimmer

    Hello Victor_E:

    Yes, any adult without a handful of literature would certainly be suspect. Also, any woman with a skirt cut above the knee or wearing any but the most modest top.

    Certain jewelry, like a cross, is a definite no no. Also, anyone with a college ring would be under close observation, I suppose.

    Even if an attendee is identified as an opposer, what can the security do if the person is not actively being disruptive? The assembly is defined as a public event, is it not? The rental contract likely states so. As we all know, the WTBTS has no problem lying whenever its suits them to do so, but I think they will hesitate in those cases when an unfavorable legal response is probable.

    Just as the security persons work in teams, so should any opposers. If for nothing else, then they will have a witness as well should the matter go to court.

    Ray Franz was written that he does not support anyone causing a disruption and for the most part I agree. But I see nothing wrong in trying to peaceably make the real truth available in a public venue, and if some JWs feel that they've been "disrupted", then that's their problem, not mine.

  • lookingnow22
    lookingnow22

    Your comment about anyone wearing a cross made me have some evil thoughts!

    It'd be great to see someone at an assembly with a HUGE cross sown to the back of their suit jacket! Or maybe a tshirt saying "Jesus saves, not the WBTS!" Surely someone would ask such a person to leave, but they certainly couldn't make them.

    I know that I would not be able to hold in my laughter if I saw something like this.

    Looking

  • Skimmer
    Skimmer

    A large pentagram would no doubt draw attention, as would any heavy metal rock group t-shirt.

    A more serious idea would be to pick up a large batch of the current issue of the WT and do a little corrective surgery on them. Like, remove all the interior pages and insert a more accurate text including web site URLs. There could be innocently left around the stadium and some just might bear fruit.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Skimmer: Here are my thoughts on this:

    1) Is it a given that anyone who tries to get in without a convention badge is going to be carefully scrutinized? Questioned? Tailed?

    Not necessarily. Many JWs forget to put their badges on. If you go in wearing a suit, and carry a NWT Bible, etc. you will likely be ignored. If you carry a sign saying something they do not like or protesting the teachings and practices of the WTS they will likely ask you to leave.

    2) Are all of the security staff JWs, or to they hire for some of the positions? I have heard that they do hire armed guards for cash transport.

    All security are JWs, usually large men capable of defending themselves. When large sums of money are handled it is wise to hire a security service to pick up these funds. Brinks and other services are commonly used. I beliueve that the Society uses such services when they feel it is necessary in larger cities.

    3) Does the security crew use two way radio? Has anyone checked which frequencies they use?

    They often use walkie-talkie systems. I don't know the frequency. Generally Attendants do not carry such devices, but higher level Attendants in Security may carry them. They also have a special marking on their badges or separate badges to identify them.

    [i]4) Would it be fairly easy to make a badge that looked a whole lot like an official badge? I'm not suggesting counterfeiting, but rather something that was close enough without being fraudulent.

    Yes.

    [i]5) Has anyone tried attending with press credentials?

    I have not tried attending since I left in May 1992. But, I would not use any trickery to attend. Were I to attend just to see what was being taught, I would bring my usual stuff, Bible, songbook, and note pad along with a tape recorder. I would belnd in. I would choose a city where I am not known. I would shave off my beard, and keep a low profile.

    If a JW tried to converse with me, asked where I am from, I would explain that I am from out of town, just visiting. If they asked if I am a JW, I would be honest and say no. If they asked if I am studying, I would say not at this time. If they asked whether I have studied, I would say that I have somewhat in the past, and I have a few publications. If they inquired as to who studied with me and how low ago, I would tell them. If they asked if I was still interested, I would say, not really. If they wanted to know why I was there, I would say that I am just interested in understanding what the latest teachings are, to see what if any changes have been made.

    My whole response would be honest, vague, and no apparant agenda. That is the best way. If a JW tried to get more into my thought, I would than ask questions. I would say that I can not understand why they teach thus and so because of this and that. And then let them have the floor. If their probing got too intrusive, at some point in time, I would interrupt and excuse myself to the restroom, or to go eat, or return to my seat.

    But, I have no interest in attending any event of the Watch Tower religion. I am quite satisfied that they are an abusive and somewhat cultish religion that will change or pass out of existence. I have no need to expend time with them. I do participate here and at times elsewhere on other ex-JW forums so as to be of assistence to some just leaving, and also in the hope that I may run into any JW friends who have left the organization as well. - Amazing

    Amazing

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