HOW EXACTLY does god communicate with or direct the GB?

by stuckinarut2 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • stuckinarut2
    stuckinarut2

    We're all familiar with the organisations claims (and have seen the flow diagrams in books and mags) that the GB is "directed by God"

    In turn, the local Elders are "directed by god"

    So, how exactly do they suppose this happens? Does one of the GB wake up in the middle of the night, have a brainwave thought, write it down, then discuss it with the rest of the GB next time they meet?

    Does a thought just pop into the heads of the local elders?...

    The very premise of this being "led by god" is UNPROVABLE! How can someone doubt it without being mocked as being subversive or disobedient?

    The fact that so many things have proven to be wrong in time, makes the claim even more ridiculous!

    thoughts?

  • RubaDub
    RubaDub

    Roku.

    Rub a Dub 

  • Magnum
    Magnum

    I've often wondered exactly how it's supposed to work.

    The fact that so many things have proven to be wrong in time, makes the claim even more ridiculous!

    Yep.

    Take, for example, the pre-1995 "generation" doctrine. The only reason they changed the doctrine was that time ran out on it. It expired. They were forced to change it. Where was direction by/from God in that? Why were they wrong in the first place? Why didn't God give them some direction before the time limit ran out?

    After 1995, they messed around with the doctrine a few years before coming up with the current ludicrous overlapping groups teaching.

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot
    God tickles their brain cells. Or maybe it's the angels that do that under God's command.
  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    When the GB votes they throw their ballots in the fire and white smoke indicates YES and black smoke indicates NO.

    Wait......................that's the Catholic College of Cardinals.

    NOW I REMEMBER: In the GB Conference Room there is the eerie greenish glowing light . . . . . .OR, maybe it was a cloud by day in the room.

    (I just can't keep up with this sh!t!)

    SSDD (Same Shit, Different Day)

    Doc

  • problemaddict 2
    problemaddict 2

    Well we all know its nonsense....but even THEY believe it.  So how do they teach that they receive information?  Since they claim no divine inspiration (tm), or prophetic powers (at least the Mormons own that crap), they use the word LED by holy spirit?

    How are you LED, by holy spirit?  Just that!  Its like an intuition. 

    Here is the way it was explained to me by an elder.   He said when the brothers pray about a situation involving someone and a JC, who may or may not be disfellowshipped, they are told to be come aware of a "particular pattern of thinking".  The inescapable one, seems to be the one they are being LED to.

    Ugh.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Brooklyn has a direct line to the man upstairs!


  • KillerJones
    KillerJones

    C'mon fellas...we all know they vote on 'new lights' and if 2/3 of them think it's good, then it is solidly from God! 😉

    Very sad there is no transparency when it comes to their decision making.  I mean, if the apostles saw fit to write their deliberations over the doctrine of circumcision, then why aren't GB meetings recorded in the same detail...Surely, they decide on far lesser issues. 

    Look how they press on with Warwick, despite being uncertain on Jehovah's will for the project. Great use of donated monies, no? 

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    We're all familiar with the organisations claims (and have seen the flow diagrams in books and mags) that the GB is "directed by God." In turn, the local Elders are "directed by god." So, how exactly do they suppose this happens? Does one of the GB wake up in the middle of the night, have a brainwave thought, write it down, then discuss it with the rest of the GB next time they meet? Does a thought just pop into the heads of the local elders?...

    Well, how did God communicate with His servants anciently? Before examining how they receive revelation, we need to ask about their callings. In the scriptures, God spoke to His servants through many methods. First, through theophanies (where God speaks directly to a person), angelic ministrations, actual vocal communications and then through the Spirit. But just because one sees an angel or hears a voice, this can be deception. That's why such experiences are combined with the witness of the Holy Spirit, which is impossible for the Adversary to duplicate.

    The Governing Body today has emphatically declared that its members enjoy none of the above, except for possibly receiving inspiration through the Holy Spirit. But unless the Lord has taught one how to tell His spirit from that of the Adversary, trying to ascertain it would be difficult.

    In the Society, the Lord never (ever) told them that He had chosen them in 1919, or any other year. They divined it through assumption. It's kind of like the preacher who presents his financial proceeds to the Lord and says, "Lord, if you want me to take half of this, declare it unto me!" Then, "Lord, if you want me to take the full amount, say nothing and thy will be done!" When nothing is said, the pastor cries, "Praise be unto the Lord!" and pockets the full amount.

    In the case of Adventist Ellen G. White, she, at least, had a prophetic calling she said came from God. She would go into trances during which she reputedly could not be physically moved. She had a number of claimed visions and personal revelations, but they were never shared with anyone else in real time, neither did she leave a successor. The scriptures say that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established, yet she had none.

    The Watchtower Society, on the other hand, has zilch. No theophanies, no angelic ministrations, no ordinations or receptions of authority, no voices -- nothing. So excellent question. The most popular answer, however, is one of process of elimination. "Of course, Jehovah chose us. We mean, just look at everyone else! Do you see anyone else that has all this truth like we do? No, and that's because of the guiding hand of Jehovah, himself! Search the world and tell us if there's anyone else who worships Jehovah by name. None. Does anyone else have the perfect doctrines that we do? Again, none!"

    That's not how it was done anciently. Either God speaks or He is silent. And it seems the GB is still waiting for Jehovah to speak. In the meantime, His representatives pronounce His light through inspiration. At the same time they say it's not revelation like the apostles received. Well, why not? Aren't we talking about one source?

    Recently it seems that the members of the GB are expecting some first class guidance once things begin falling apart. But what did the Lord say about the blind guides leading the blind? They all fall into a pit.

  • ShirleyW
    ShirleyW

    The question is how exactly does God communicate with the GB

    In no shape or form does God communicate with 7 random old men in Brooklyn, case closed, that is of course unless they had a bit too much of the bubbly the night before they came up with such idiotic rules which their followers gladly adhere to without question.


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