Clinton, Osama, And Sudan

by Yerusalyim 40 Replies latest social current

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    Ugh, apppologies for the above post, something went wrong; hopefully this one makes more sense (or not!)

    Today my local paper (probably unwittingly, since it has well know liberal biases) summed the issue up:

    ?Republicans?contend that [Bush] had been president less than eight months when the attacks occurred and can?t be expected to have defeated an enemy that

    Democrats counter that the attacks happened on Bush?s watch. Eight months should have been enough time to act more aggressively against al-Qaida?especially in light of dire, private warnings ongoing officials say they delivered before Bush took office??

    Ah, ?dire private warnings? that the administration gave Bush, which should have led him to do everything possible to prevent planes from slamming into the WTC. Dire warnings that the admininistration (and Clarke) for some reason failed to act upon repeatedly during the 8-year admin.

    But wait? there?s a clear explanation!

    ?By tying the earlier terrorist attacks to the Sept. 11 catastrophe and pinning all of them on Al-Qaida, Bush?s team is making connects that were not clear at the time, in the view of the Clinton crew.

    Bush and his aides, Clinton?s counterparts add, are judging them from a post-9/11 perspective of urgency and national resolve that didn?t exist before Sept. 11, 2001.?

    Then Madelyn Albright adds:

    ?We have to put ourselves in the pre-9/11 mode, and it?s hard because we?ve all been in our post 9/11 prism, where we should be.?

    So, let?s make sure we understand this: was acting appropriately because it was in the ?pre-9/11? mindset. That day, of course, changed everything. But interesting the Dems are doing exactly THAT to the Bush administration. They claim he ?should have known? that something big was going to happen are prevented it in the 8 months he was in office before the attack.

    So which is it people? We can judge Bush?s actions from a pre-9/11 perspective (having just taken office for 8 months), although the 9/11 attacks had not occurred yet so that we could see the severity of the situation. But we cannot dare to judge the administration from a post 9/11 perspective because 9/11 hadn?t happened yet.

    Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see through this very ?Clintonesque? logic.

    Plus the attack on the world trade center took YEARS to coordinate. It was in the works on ?s watch. But 9/11 hadn?t happened yet, so we can?t blame for doing nothing?? Oh right, DIRE warnings were issued to Bush before he took office. DIRE WARNINGS that the administration failed to act upon. (Oh right, because 9/11 HADN?T occurred so that they couldn?t yet make connections?

    My head hurts.

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    Okay, something's weird, when I posted both times, the text deleted "Clinton" except when it was in boldface font... Hmmm.

  • talesin
    talesin

    blacksheep

    This is a good point.

    It's hard to believe that things escalated so fast in such a short time. What 'intelligence' was garnered in the months leading up to Bush's presidency??

    I wonder if Richard Clarke has anything to say about it in his book? I wouldn't mind getting ahold of it.

    talesin

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Six,

    There's also the tape of Clinton saying that Sudan reached out to him on Bin Laden but that the US "didn't have the legal justification" to take him...and urged Saudi Arabia to take him...The tape is from 1998 I believe...trying to find a link to that...I've heard it countless times on Radio and TV.

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    WhyNow2000,

    Surely you are only talking US casualties. Worldwide there were alot more than that. But in a typical "peace and love" (ie Isolationist) view you forget to point that out.

    Herbet Hoover: Deaths by war: 0

    FDR: Deaths by war: 295,000

    Wow! According to WN2 FDR was an evil man

  • Badger
    Badger

    Blacksheep...I'd try to make that 250...I was an hour away from Okla city on Apr. 19, 1995

    Yeru, avishai: Clarke is a registered Republican, hired by Reagan. As for how Bush REALLY felt about Bin Laden pre 9-11:

    "The State Department officially released its annual terrorism report an hour ago,
    but unlike last year, there's no extensive mention of Osama bin Laden. A senior
    Bush State Department official tells CNN the U.S. government made a mistake
    in focusing so much energy on bin Laden and 'personalizing terrorism.'"
    --CNN, 4/30/2001, "Claim vs. fact", Attribution

    I have a SERIOUS Problem with someone who calls an opponent a scumbag with even addressing their charges...that's what the WTS does to questioners.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    Actually, Clarke is an Independent...

    As to addressing issues, Condi Rice had a nice column in the paper the other day...seems almost everything Clarke suggested was picked up. Further...seems that Clarke, in sworn testimony before congress, said things VERY different from what he's now saying...so, he was lying then or now...either way...he's perjured himself.

    Then there's the nice little tape FOX keeps playing for us with Clarke praising Bush, and his Letter of Resignation where he praises Bush...and then we have his book sale...publication of which he moved up to coincide with his testimony.

    Then we have the fact that 60 minutes has a financial interest in his book.

    But...other than that...he's neither a scum bag nor an unreliable witness.

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    "But...other than that...he's neither a scum bag nor an unreliable witness"

    Not sure of the definition of a "scumbag." But it IS clear that Clarke is profiting from his opportunistic timing of his "revelations." If his message was SO important, why did he wait for over two years to SEND it? If he is truly simply interested in preventing another 9/11, why not reveal his concerns IMMEDIATELY after it occurred?

    Whatever "scumbag" means, I'm not sure he fills the bill. But I AM sure he's apprearing to be a self-serving opportunist with supposed highly important information on the eve of a re-election, and, funny, on the eve of his publishing a book (which of course he's encouraging everyone to read).

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    But it IS clear that Clarke is profiting from his opportunistic timing of his "revelations."

    And so is our country

  • blacksheep
    blacksheep

    And so is our country, you dumbass scumbag.

    Whatever your particular problem is, it doesn't matter. You're violating the guidelines.

    Beyond that, defending Clarke's exploitating of 9/11 by selling a book whose revelations are 2-1/2 years late by saying "country" is doing that...is well...let's just say not intelligent.

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