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by MoeJoJoJo 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • BugEye
    BugEye

    MoeJoJoJo

    Cool name

    I chose to leave about 7 weeks ago and I too studied long and hard and in the end, I arrived at the conclusion that it simply could not be "the truth".

    I set up a table specifically in my room and placed bibles and lexicons and WTS literature on it and spent 3 solid days studying.

    My wife helped me as did my mother and in the end, we all reached the same conclusion.

    There were several scriptures that resulted in this, and one of the easiest to see the fraud was in reading about the end times in Matt 24
    and comparing what is ACTUALLY said with what the WTS says.

    Also, I did a comparison with the attitude of Pharisees and Christians in Jesus day and tried to figure out which one that the WTS resembled the closest.

    We also considered prophecy and prediction and whether Jehovah could really support such statements as was made.

    Just some thoughts

    Dave

  • outnfree
    outnfree

    MoeJoJoJo,

    Thanks for taking the time to post the text & comments! They're keepers! LOL

    Nice to have you with us!

    outnfree

  • shorty
    shorty

    MOe i know how you feel i have been thinking the same things lately just keep looking to see the truth!!!!

    luv,

  • MoeJoJoJo
    MoeJoJoJo

    I have come to many conclusions in my studying. It doesn't take long once you open your mind and use your own brain. (That's called independent thinking I guess)oops
    What bothers me the most is that the Society has wormed their way out of the whole 1975 thing and put it off that the R&F just got too excited and started setting dates. That's what I heard my whole life until I actually looked in the older publications and saw the date in print. I remember too when we were studying the Babylon the Great has Fallen book I distinctly remember us calculating the date during the meeting and the point from the book was brought out that that generation would have to be old enough to know what was occurring(so that made the end seem even closer) Then that thinking was changed again later....and again.....
    It seemed like we needed to take a calculator along with us to all the meetings.
    I could never get it enough to ever comment on it, you know, when we would have WT studies on "this generation" and the paragraph that was devoted to times times and half a time???? I made sure my hand did not even move on that paragraph for fear of being called on.

    I have talked to my husband alot but he feels like it is the closest religion to the truth. He just tells me to keep on studying. I'm kind of in limbo right now not knowing what to do. I have enlightened him on alot of things though.
    I was a 1970 baby, my mother always told me that she thought that I would never go to school at all in this system and here I am with kids of my own going to school. I'm not upset the end hasn't come, (I'll wait on God) just that a whole lot of people have been deceived-me right along with them.

    Thanks for all of the comments.

    "plant your own garden and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers." -Veronica A. Shoffstall

  • Francois
    Francois

    Christmas fruitcake; hell, any fruitcake is best used for a doorstop. Just don't stub your toe on it.

    You gotta big JW library? You're researching? Suggest you look into "Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose." It's the official JW apologia and you'll learn lots and lots about all the things that embarrasses them the most and that they are willing to discuss publically.

    Then you could report here all you found

    My $0.02

  • Had Enough
    Had Enough

    Hi there Moejojojo:

    Welcome here from me to you too!! I was raised in the "truth" and am probably the same age as your mom. I've been here almost 3 months but haven't been attending for about 2 years now.

    A few comments struck home to me.

    RedHorseWoman's 1st paragraph:

    I, too, was baptized at 13, and was questioning many things by the time I was 31. Actually, there were things that bothered me prior to that time, but I just pushed any questions or doubts to the back of my mind and blamed myself for not having sufficient spirituality.

    ... was my beginning exactly too.

    Only I took a lot longer to do anything about it....until last year. I could not reconcile in my mind any longer the shunning requirement....I had withstood it for myself but was very bitter over being forceably kept from my aging parents by my brother. The last straw for me was when I was being pressured by my family to shun my da'd son. There is no way I could do that to him so I really started looking into the rest of my doubts too.

    You said:

    I was a 1970 baby, my mother always told me that she thought that I would never go to school at all in this system and here I am with kids of my own going to school. I'm not upset the end hasn't come, (I'll wait on God) just that a whole lot of people have been deceived-me right along with them.

    My first child was that 1970 baby too and I thought the same as your mother thought....and you know the funny thing about that? MY mother thought and said the same thing about me 20 years previously AND about my brother who is 10 years older than I am.

    That was one of the most hard hitting points for me....to have been told all my life that I would never grow old and here I am (not saying that I'm old yet) but am a grandmother and a lot older than I thought I ever would be in this system.

    If you haven't already read it, Ray Franz's book Crisis of Conscience, is a further real eye-opener into all the little inner workings and underhandedness of the GB and headquarters that we never would have thought possible. As I've said before here...they paint a real pretty, pure, pristene picture of themselves but "are full of dead man's bones".

    I didn't go looking for excuses to leave the org. as some JW's have accused us of. Like most of us here, I wanted answers to questions that I felt I couldn't ask, which is why a good many of us are here.

    There's so much to re-learn...give yourself time, but you will find answers here that make sense and can be proven to be the "real truth".

    Had Enough

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : Bibleexaminer, Oh and by the way I've never had Christmas fruitcake. Am I missing out?

    Not really. After some research, people discovered that there were only about a dozen fruitcakes ever made in all history. Due to their incredible longevity and also due to the fact that no one actually has ever EATEN any fruitcake, they get sent to new people each Christimas, who in turn send them to still other people the following Christimas, who then send them to..... Well, you get the picture!

    Farkel

  • safe4kids
    safe4kids

    Okay folks, I've had all i can takes, and i cain't takes no more!!! One of my favorite things about this board has been everyone's ability, nay RIGHT to voice their opinions...and, for the most part, not be judged negatively for them. BUT THIS SLANDEROUS SHUNNING OF FRUITCAKE HAS GOT TO STOP!! Am I talking about store-bought fruitcake?? NO!! Am I talking about your old Aunt Martha's fruitcake that has been making the rounds for the last 20 years?? Again I say NO!! Those fruitcakes deserve their bad reputation but people, know this: There exists in this world a recipe for fruitcake that my mom passed down to me and I shall pass down to my daughter...and this fruitcake, THIS FRUITCAKE, is a wonderful cake indeed. It is like no other fruitcake in the world. Dare I say...heavenly? It is light, not dense and wet...it is nutty and fruitful, but does not multiply like those evil fruitcakes...it takes me hours to make it, and until you have tasted it, I BEG of you not to judge it as unworthy. Ahhhh...if you don't believe me, just ask me sis!

    Dana ("...and I have another fruitcake, which is not of this mold...")

    "A single event can awaken within us a stranger totally unknown to us. To live is to be slowly born."
    Antoine de Saint-Exupery

  • larc
    larc

    Dana,

    I think you could make a small fortune come next Christmas. I, for one, would be willing to buy your fruitcake. You have a product you believe in and the net for low cost advertising. Once you are rich, I would be willing to be your financial planner for a small fee of a free fruitcake now and then. This could be an historic moment in the history of modern civilization!

  • teejay
    teejay

    safe4kids,

    so, you CLAIM that you can make a fruitcake that fit to eat?
    HA!! I doubt it. Where's the proof? (uhmmm… email me to
    get my address… ;-))

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