Is It the Size that matters or the Quality?

by DevonMcBride 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • DevonMcBride
    DevonMcBride

    In an effort to motivate and maintain membership, the Watchtower Society prints statistical information in their publications showing the number of people joining their organization, pioneering, etc. Does it really matter how many members they have? Checking statistics here http://www.jwic.com/stat.htm they are growing in poor and underdeveloped countries rapidly and losing or barely growing in wealthier developed countries.

    The bottom line to the Watchtower is money. They can't survive without donations and investments. In the developed countries, are the JW's donating what they used to? Probably not. I would estimate that 20-30% of the baptised publishers have some doubts which leaves them less motivated in field service. There's also the percent of JW's who only attend meetings to keep family ties. Donations from their congregations certainly must be down. A recent report showed that charitable donations are down in the US due to the economy. Surely this must be effecting the donations to the Society by homeowners during field service.

    To be successful in sales, it helps to believe in the product you are selling and be motivated. The Society is too busy promoting growth in countries were residents can't afford to donate much while their "sales people" in the wealthier countries are only interested in recording time on a card not collecting donations or starting bible studies. And how many actually spend all of those reported hours knocking on doors? Most of the ex-JW's I know, either exaggerated their hours or counted vague religious discussions as time. The Society is looking too much at the size of their organization and not enough into the quality of their people.

    In addition to lower donations, their expenses must be higher. There are dozens of cases against them. Lawsuits cost them a lot of money even if they win. I noticed they used outside law firms to represent them in some of these cases. Lawyers are not cheap.

    If the Watchtower Society were a for-profit organization, I doubt they would succeed.

    Devon

  • Sassy
    Sassy

    and here I thought we were talking about something else...

    sheesh.. got all excited for nothing..

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Interesting, as the Watchtower March 1, 2004 highlighted the third world/developed world growth split in an article titled, "Can the Churches be Saved?". That article hints that such disproportionate growth is a sign of disunity, something the WTBTS would never suffer from, eh?

  • Hyghlandyr
    Hyghlandyr

    OH! You are talking about size of religous membership. Ok then I wont say what I was going to say.

  • bikerchic
    bikerchic
    OH! You are talking about size of religous membership. Ok then I wont say what I was going to say.

    You and everyone else who has their minds in the gutter.........oh wait WTS is the gutter!

    Kate

  • Nadsam
    Nadsam

    Its not the nail, but the hammer behind the nail

    Referring to the Millions that have left since 1975 of course!

    Nadsam

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  • FMZ
    FMZ

    A quick count of percentages and a few calculations later shows that 99% of apostates are perverts.

    FMZ

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    Well I must admit it I am a little perv. I too thought the same way you did Sassy. I always have my mind in the gutter. I am a baddddddddd girllllllllllllll.

    I think that the number of person who left the organization in 1975 were smart. I can't begin to tell you how intensely angered I am as of late. While reading the book Crisis of Conscience I can understand why people made a mass exodus from the organization. Its been a real awakening to me to see that the number of those who have left the organization because of the constant lies the Society tells. How they bambuzzle people to believe that they made honest mistakes on the dates 1799 1881 1884 1906, 1914 and yet when the WTS printed these beliefs they swore up and down that they were all prophecy and God doesn't mislead his sevants.

    The intense feelings of Christians during these times had their hopes raised to believe that the end of the world was coming in 1914, and that they say today they never made those statements. Yet like Ray Franz said, most JWs are not privay to these things becaure they have no acsess to older pieces of literature, especially the older WatchTowers. Today to hear the Society tell the story was that it was on the part of the readers who misunderstood the words the Society was teaching.

    Today it is all glossed over, the WTS doesn't want todays JWs to know the truth behind their earlier lies. Including the fact that C T Russell was not the person who first taught the signifagance about 1914 that it was rather the Second Day Adventist and a man named John Brown. Yet to hear the Society tell it they make it so that people believe that CT Russell was God's instrument in understanding the prophecies of the Scriptures. He himself even addmitted one time that he, "dispised prophecy'. He shoud have stuck with that feeling.

    As reading the older publications I can see for my self how confusing the teaching were in the early years of the Society. It just pissed my off everything I have been reading about the WTS. I once believed with all my heart like most of you but to know the things I know now I would never have become a Jw or I would have left home when I was 16 to get away from the lies. But like I said no one knew their ideas, and teachings, only those that were elderly. They must have felt cheated after learning of the lies the Society still tells to day. The WTS white washes the whole story of the organization. I hope that peoples eyes open when they hear the real truth. Then on the other hand they aren't suppose to listen to us. We are outcasts. But Ray Franz mentions how many thousand and thousands have fled the WTS. of course even he had the courage to leave the Governing Body and start telling the truth about what most JWS have no idea about. I would love to preach right outside the kingdom hall and tell people you are being mislead. The falsehood of the WTS is great and they are going to have to answer for their lies, deciet and hypocrisy and blood shed . At several points in his book I had to stop reading it so that I could cry about the things that the WTS has done to the lives of so many witnesses. They are blood guilty for the lives of all those dear ones in Africa and yet allowed witnesses right up to rank and file to buy bribes from the authorities in Mexico. The whole situation in these two countries appauled and repelled me as I just way crying and thinking to my self that I am so glad I have no longer any connection with this oraganization. I hate them all.

    I am ranting I know but it just sickened me to see how much the Society is getting away with. We need to create a mass exodus of present day JWs. Oh I just wish I could let my family know the truth of the deception of this Organization. How one earth does God tolerate this? I am so puzzled and feel at a loss as to how to reach the ones that mean so much to us. I implore all of you who haven't read this Book By Ray Franz that they get a copy of it as soon as possible and make it a part of your library. I love you Raymond Franz and all those who had the courage to leave this false Organization. May God bless you forever.

    Orangefatcat

  • ESTEE
    ESTEE

    Ooooops!!!! Thought you were talkin" "bout somethn" else ...

    ESTEE

  • Puternut
    Puternut

    Both,

    Size and quality, ...... matters

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