Blondie's Updates on Child Sexual Abuse Issues

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  • blondie
    blondie

    A step foward in Wisconsin re clergy reporting abuse...except most abuse is revealed in private conversations. Statute of limitations increased. Sidepoint, does the WTS consider themselves "clergy"?

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/apr04/223459.asp

    Clergy must report sex abuse under new law

    Exceptions made for private conversations
    By STACY FORSTER
    [email protected]
    Posted: April 19, 2004

    Madison - Members of the clergy in Wisconsin are required to report incidents of suspected sexual abuse to authorities under a new law signed Monday by Gov. Jim Doyle.

    After nearly two years of effort by victims-rights advocates, Doyle signed a bill mandating that religious leaders alert authorities when they suspect a child is being abused by fellow clergy. While supporters of the law called it a victory, they said they will continue to push for more strict legislation, and Doyle said he would sign an even tougher bill if it came across his desk.

    The new law provides an exception for information clergy members receive in private conversations, meaning that communications such as confessions would fall outside the reporting requirements.

    That immunizes religious officials from being completely forthright, said Peter Isely, Midwest director for Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, a national victims-rights organization.

    "Under no circumstances will they have to report, because how they find out about abuse is going to be through private communications," Isely said. "Almost everything is going to be covered."

    When it comes to suspicions of abuse, communications with clergy aren't any different from conversations a school guidance counselor or teacher might have with a young person, Doyle said. In those cases, the potential abuse must be reported.

    "We need to be able to protect that child and other children, and that trumps confidentiality," Doyle said.

    Protecting confessions

    Jerry Topczewski, spokesman for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, said Catholic church leaders have been considering the best way to release and act on the information it has about sex abusers within the clergy. But he noted that confession is a core tenant of Catholicism and said priests shouldn't be asked to violate that. Instead, he said, clergy who learn of abuse within a confession are urged to find another way to prompt an abuser to come forward with that information.

    "A priest has an obligation to try to move that person from the seal of the confessional to the confession of that act," Topczewski said.

    The law also increases the amount of time child sexual-abuse victims have to file a lawsuit against an abuser or a religious organization. Victims now have until age 45 to file criminal action, up from age 31. They now will be able to file a civil suit until age 31; previously, a civil action had to begin within five years of discovery of the abuse.

    The clergy abuse bill was one of nine pieces of legislation Doyle signed Monday.

    In another measure intended to protect children, Doyle signed a bill that will improve the process of investigating the backgrounds of school bus drivers.

    Criminal background checks of drivers will now be done every four years instead of every eight. The measure also expands the lists of crimes and offenses that disqualify someone from becoming a bus driver to include crimes against children, such as sexual assault and child neglect. Under the previous law, convictions for these crimes would not have disqualified someone from becoming a bus driver.

    The law grew out of well-documented cases of abuse, such as one involving a Milwaukee bus driver who is charged with hitting and shouting at Jacob Mutulo, a 9-year-old boy with Down syndrome, while the boy was strapped in a seat.

    Doyle on Monday also signed legislation that:

  • Establishes a process for determining which court or jurisdiction would handle a case involving an American Indian juvenile who commits an off-reservation crime.

  • Transfers the regulation of amateur boxing from the state to USA Boxing, which monitors the sport in all other states.

  • Prohibits private colleges from using Social Security numbers as identification numbers.

  • Expands the window of time child-support agencies have to collect payments.

  • Changes Wisconsin's health records confidentiality law to mirror the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

    From the April 20, 2004 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

  • edited to remove object obscuring text - Scully

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    excellent Blondie

    Sidepoint, does the WTS consider themselves "clergy"?

    only when it is convenient to do so. I expect that they will claim their "leaders" are untrained volunteers

    Hopefully they will be told they can't have it both ways

  • Amazing1914
    Amazing1914

    Blondie,

    Thanks. Very similar law to the one passed in Illinois and other states. Its a long road, but the Wheels of Justice are turning. - Amazing

  • waiting
    waiting

    When it comes to lawsuits & police.........the elders and the WT absolutely believe in stating "clery priviledge!" Absolutely. I know of several different cases where they've used it solely to their advantage in court.

    That immunizes religious officials from being completely forthright, said Peter Isely, Midwest director for Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, a national victims-rights organization.

    "Under no circumstances will they have to report, because how they find out about abuse is going to be through private communications," Isely said. "Almost everything is going to be covered."

    When it comes to suspicions of abuse, communications with clergy aren't any different from conversations a school guidance counselor or teacher might have with a young person, Doyle said. In those cases, the potential abuse must be reported.

    Somehow the heart of the matter has been lost....once again.

    "We need to be able to protect that child and other children, and that trumps confidentiality," Doyle said.

    edited because I can't spell. duh. Thanks again, Blondie!

  • LyinEyes
    LyinEyes

    I agree with Lady Lee , the WT will go along with the title of "clergy" when it suits their need. Sickening , sickening.

    Wicked, offsprings of vipers Pharisees!!!!!!!! Everything the higher ups do is for power and money. It is evident they do not care about the victims.

    This issue of child abuse with the organization of JW's has been out in the public for at least the two years that I have been out of the borg.
    Have they ( GB) once acknowledged there is a problem with the child abuse issue? Weither the cases are proven true or false,,,,,,,they could at least acknowledge there is a wide spread controversy going on right now. At least the Catholic church was on TV, acknowledging there is a problem with their religion and are trying to make changes.

    The WT admits no guilt as far as I can see. It is the victims who is lying, it is the one ,,,,,,,as they claim that the molestor was never " an appointed man". Oh he might have been a Ministerial Servant but he wasnt an elder........ I can't remember what case it was, but one I read from this site,,,,,,,but they just tried to disassociate themselves from the molestor , as if they are the rare exception . They want to make it appear that these cases are just few and far between. Shame , shame.

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    The goal, as far as I'm concerned, is that *all* fifty states should require mandatory reporting in *all circumstances* at *all times* of *all people* ... be they clergy or laymen. Confession is a tenet of many religions, but is no excuse for not doing the ethical and morally uprighteous business of protecting those who cannot protect themselves. Since those abused that cannot speak for themselves, well they sure as hell need someone to do it for them! In a religious sense, Jesus said that it was better that you throw a millstone around your neck and throw yourself into the sea, than to stumble one of the little ones, which shows the gravity of such actions.

    As far as the investigation goes, leave it up to the law. JW ministers, nor any ministers for that matter, have any business doing investigations of something they know nothing about, unless they have been trained properly at a police academy. This is a CRIME. If someone has been improperly accused, well.. that's for the law to figure out, not some uneducated backwoods elder. If the person is cleared, then their name should be vindicated, and they should shout it from the rooftops and no action should be taken. But if they are accused, they should be willing to submit to an investigation of the facts by those people trained to examine such.

    The statute of limitations should be raised up in all 50 states to __ years old (number I don't know... perhaps indefinitely?) because it's often that people take years to "come of age" and are able to voice their abuse after years of indoctrination, fear, whatever. After reading and hearing hundreds of these accounts, it seems to me that the majority don't even speak of their abuse until later in life. These children are our greatest assets, and it's about time that we protected them as such. It's a hard lesson to learn, but eventually these religions will be forced to become more mainstream or face their financial devastation from lawsuits with a good legal precedent, which will surely come over time, as we have seen. Each little "give" by the courts, the judges, the legislatures, congresses, senates, etc. tells our government just where we stand on these issues and brings us one step closer. I think we all stand in the same place: on firm ground that children will NOT be sexually abused.

    Don't ever think that it does no good to write your Congressperson, senator, representative, mayor, city council person, child protective agencies, etc. Every little bit counts. The more they KNOW, the more they are aware, and the more they realize that this is a hot issue that needs addressing. It puts the seed into their consciences that may grow. Sure.. right now it's a *small* issue (in their estimation), as compared to the war in Iraq, the economy, oil prices, gay people's rights to marry, etc. But eventually, it becomes a thorn as more people write and support the lambs. *All* the lambs, not just the JW ones. This just doesn't just touch JW people, it's *all* those cults that are totalitarian and isolationistic. And there are many.

    For this to happen, everyone needs to make everyone aware of what is happening with the the children in these cults and how abuse can happen, and how it is largely ignored by these types of cults, AND religions. At least the Catholic religion has done some apologizing and reparations. Let's see this happen to all of them: they, all of them, will be brought to justice on *this* Earth, and NOT in Jehovah's time... in REAL time, for the harms that they have caused, the lives that have been lost, through their negligent and harmful doctrines.

    If it should ever happen that the WTB&TS is held liable for all the harms come to these silent lambs, they should also be held liable for the counseling it takes to help these lambs. The words of their lawyers, all these years, have been their protection. In the next 10 years, let their words be their downfall. You can't say one thing: and DO another. Let these crimes be known to the world, and let the perpetrators of these dastardly deeds pay a like price.

    Please.. all of you, if you can, write your Congressfolks, state reps, senators, governors, city council people, mayors, child protection agencies, social service agencies, etc. Anywhere that you can... direct them to www.silentlambs.com. Even if you can have a stamp made up, stamp it on everything.

    Your friend,
    CG

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    I'm with you on this, Country Girl!

    I think that this new Wisconsin law is mainly just a way to insulate the Catholic Church -- and along with it, all other religions -- from having to be responsible members of the community. In other words, it's codifying Business As Usual.

    I think it's disgusting when government grants special privileges to religions -- privileges that no one else in the community has, and ones that except religious leaders from community standards. I don't care what sort of tradition religions have -- THIS IS A DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT!

    AlanF

  • blondie
    blondie

    I agree that this law is not perfect, but it is a start in the right direction.

    While supporters of the law called it a victory, they said they will continue to push for more strict legislation, and Doyle said he would sign an even tougher bill if it came across his desk.

    If you notice, the governor said that he would like to see the law have more teeth and that he would sign such a law. The important thing then is to thank those legislators that introduce and support such bills, send an e-mail, letter, phone them. Get your neighbors, friends and relatives in the area to do the same. Have them let their religious groups/leaders know that they do not support protection of clergy or clergy protecting pedophiles.

    When it comes to suspicions of abuse, communications with clergy aren't any different from conversations a school guidance counselor or teacher might have with a young person, Doyle said. In those cases, the potential abuse must be reported.

    "We need to be able to protect that child and other children, and that trumps confidentiality," Doyle said.

    Governor Doyle previously held positions as Dane County DA, Judge, and State Attorney General, all positions giving him a unique perspective of the legal problems of clergy reporting abuse. He has made his position clear.

    SNAP may have a group near you. Check their website and contact them and find out how as a voter and a citizen you can use the political system to change the laws regarding clergy reporting and the increasing the statute of limitations, 2 points that Kim Norris brought out at the Silentlambs Summit March 27-28, 2004.

    The law also increases the amount of time child sexual-abuse victims have to file a lawsuit against an abuser or a religious organization. Victims now have until age 45 to file criminal action, up from age 31. They now will be able to file a civil suit until age 31; previously, a civil action had to begin within five years of discovery of the abuse.

    http://www.snapnetwork.org/

  • amac
    amac

    I'm DEFINITELY with CountryGirl on this one! The last two states I have lived in do not have clergy confidentiality clauses, so I am thankful for that. But I am appalled that other states have not done the same.

  • kls
    kls

    Thanks for posting this Blondie, it has been on the news here alot and i was wondering the same ,if jws are concidered clergy. If so there will be a whole lotta jws on the run.

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