hmmm so you posted an outdated link for informational purposes?
i promise i will read it more carefully tomorrow!
Is the Administration Planning Another War?
by Greenpalmtreestillmine 40 Replies latest social current
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plmkrzy
If you think just because some of the articles were dated a few years ago make them irrelevant you are surly kidding yourself. You can't see things clearly by only seeing what is directly in front of you all the time. Nor can you read today?s paper with comprehension if you didn't read yesterdays events. That?s how people get run over.
Why do I feel like I should be holding a ruler and addressed as Ms.Plm
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Michael3000
Bush is scary because he says he "is doing God's will"
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bigboi
IMO, Bush only did this to ensure that his ultraconservative right-wing base is solidified. There are millions of evangelical Christians in this country that revere Israel. This latest move is all about tying up any loose ends before election time. He'll deal with whatever after-effects later.
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plmkrzy
Michael3000, I recall what I thought and felt during the end of the election when all the hoopla began with the paper votes and hanging chads then the recount and Bush became President elect. Your video pretty much sums up many things that went through my mind. That was then. I was still very much in a jw end of the world state of mind regardless of how much I faught not to be. I saw Bush as leading us into Armegeddon.
Now I see videos like that as just the same old propaganda simular to what the what WTBTS use to keep jws in check.
No doubt Bush is on a power trip of some sort but what President isn't? There is something wrong with all of them and always will be. But...I'd rather be here then anywhere else for sure.
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blacksheep
Bush is scary because he says he "is doing God's will"
Show me a leader who doesn't believe he/she is "doing God's will," or basically has a special calling in history, and I'll show you a NON-leader.
Ever check out the words of our beloved JFK? Martin Luther King?
Even Kerry claims to be a good Catholic, like JFK. He believes in God, as well. Do you honestly think if he lands in the whitehouse that he won't think he's meant to be there for a purpose??
What's the REVERSE of what you are suggesting? That presidents we trust do NOT believe in a divine being? That they don't believe they have a special calling in the world to lead their country?
Try to spin it as you might, but I will tell you that the vast majority of real leaders believe that only THEY can do the job. That there's a reason that THEY are there to do it. If they don't, THAT'S a problem...
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Realist
blacksheep,
Show me a leader who doesn't believe he/she is "doing God's will," or basically has a special calling in history, and I'll show you a NON-leader.
despite the fact that most politicians don't have any great agenda except for their need for power - there is a subtle difference between having an ideal and trying to realize it and being insane enough to believe you are doing gods will.
PS: i find it quite possible that bush is making this bible shit up so that he can get more bible belt votes.
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blacksheep
despite the fact that most politicians don't have any great agenda except for their need for power - there is a subtle difference between having an ideal and trying to realize it and being insane enough to believe you are doing gods will.
And I disagree. I'm clearly an agnostic, but I've been given, and even assumed, leadership roles in the business world. Roles in which I "blazed trails" so to speak. Others didn't have the courage, intestinal fortitude, or WHATEVER, to do what I achieved. No, I didn't think that I was expressly "doing God's will," but I had a strong enough vision and a belief in what I was doing was RIGHT. It gave me confidence to move forward. And it was the right thing to do. I had to convince the fearful who were reluctant to upset the status quo that we had to move forward. Incredible results.
I laughed the other night when I was watching Fox news. There was a piece in which Woodward? not sure, was being questioned about the Pres. Bush's "confidence." The line of questioning, unbelieveably, clearly made it seem as though "confidence" and conviction are bad things. Since WHEN did confidence, conviction, a belief in what's right, suddenly become bad things? I guess fear, trepidiation, vacillation, second guessing, are this generation's new "good traits," lol.
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Realist
confidence, conviction, a belief in what's right,
well doesn't that depend a lot on whether you are right or wrong?
hitler and stalin most likely had those attributes. the result was a human catastrophe.
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blacksheep
well doesn't that depend a lot on whether you are right or wrong?
And WHO determines whether something is "right" or "wrong"? Other than armchair quarterbacks? The real question is what decisions do you make with known intel, knowledge of past and current events, knowledge of human nature, and a good moral and ethical compass. That's what makes leaders: courage to do what they believe is right. Anyone can offer their 2 cents on what is "right," few have the leadership ability to actual MAKE decisions and stick with them when the going gets rough.
hitler and stalin most likely had those attributes. the result was a human catastrophe.
Well, as I said, people who heinously violate human dignity and who clearly have no respect for human life (read: murdering people just based on their race/ethnicity/religion) are not great leaders. They are tyrannical dictators. People with no moral or ethical sense are not leaders. Defending national security is a key responsiblity of a leader. That does not include stystematically murdering some of their citizens due to their name, color of their skin, or their religion.