A lesson in how NOT to defeat the WTS

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  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    Oppression can NEVER defeat a cult religion... all it does is create martyrs and cause others to dig in with even more conviction.

    The only way to defeat a cult like the WTS is through education... publicly show people the results of the WTS's actions.

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    Moscow to ban Witnesses
    Prosecutors call zealous group a `totalitarian sect'

    Russia's 133,000 believers brace for more restrictions

    MICHAEL MAINVILLE
    SPECIAL TO THE STAR

    MOSCOW?Often while growing up in the Soviet Union, Oleg Marchenko would sneak out of the house with his parents for late-night meetings.

    The family knew it was being watched by the dreaded KGB and lived in constant fear.

    Secret police agents would sometimes raid Marchenko's home, seizing forbidden literature and threatening his parents with imprisonment.

    They were not a family of political dissidents. They were Jehovah's Witnesses.

    And today, Marchenko, a 39-year-old husband and father, is again living in fear.

    "I remember well the Soviet times, the feeling that some day the police would come and take my parents away forever," says the third-generation Jehovah's Witness.

    "I have a feeling now that those times are coming back, that the freedom we had in the beginning of the 1990s is coming to an end."

    There is no doubt that the Jehovah's Witnesses, zealous evangelizers who preach strict adherence to the Bible, are a controversial organization.

    Officials in many countries, including Canada, have tried to control the group's activities.

    But few have gone as far as the city of Moscow, which on March 26 won a court case to ban the religious activities of Jehovah's Witnesses from the Russian capital.

    Prosecutors in the case argued that the group is "breaking up families, inciting its members to suicide and harming their life and health" because it forbids blood transfusions.

    The ban will deny Jehovah's Witnesses the right to any form of religious activity, including the holding of meetings or services in private homes.

    It also will make it illegal for the group to import or distribute its literature and to carry out missionary work.

    The ban will not take effect until an appeal is decided in late May or early June, but observers here seriously doubt that appeal will be successful.

    "Our track record with the Moscow courts does not give us much hope," said John Burns, a Toronto lawyer who is representing the group here, after the ruling.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses have a long history of persecution in Russia.

    Founded in the United States in the late 19th century, the group appeared in Russia several years later. It now has about 133,000 members across the country, including an estimated 10,000 in Moscow.

    Under Stalin's state atheism campaign, thousands of Witnesses were exiled to Siberian labour camps in the early 1950s, including Marchenko's grandparents and their five children, who spent eight years in a Siberian camp before being released.

    The group remained illegal until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, its members subject to official harassment and occasional imprisonment.

    In the heady days that followed the end of Soviet rule, Jehovah's Witnesses registered congregations across the country and built dozens of places of worship, called Kingdom Halls.

    "Everyone was so happy in those times, it was a like a festival," Marchenko recalls.

    The atmosphere started to change when Russia adopted a new law on religious worship in 1997 that enshrines Orthodox Christianity as the country's predominant religion.

    The law also pledges respect for Russia's three other "traditional" faiths ? Buddhism, Islam and Judaism ? and gives federal and local authorities the right to impose restrictions on other religions' activities.

    The law has also been used against the Salvation Army, which has been denied registration in Moscow and is currently in court.

    Outside the courtroom, Jehovah's Witness spokesperson Vasiliy Kalin told reporters: "In the Soviet time, a Russian had to be an atheist. The situation has changed and a Russian must be Orthodox now."

    Proceedings were first launched to ban the Jehovah's Witnesses in Moscow in 1998.

    In 2001, a Moscow court ruled against the ban, but a higher court subsequently ordered a new hearing in the case and the second trial began in November, 2002.

    The prosecution offered testimony from religious experts describing the Jehovah's Witnesses as "a totalitarian sect" that "tries to control people's consciousness."

    It also provided testimony from medical experts about the dangers of refusing blood transfusions. Two Witnesses are known to have died in Russia in the last decade for refusing transfusions on religious grounds.

    Defence lawyers offered testimony from doctors who described alternative treatments to blood transfusions available in Moscow.

    The defence also pointed to a wealth of international precedence supporting the group's right to exist.

    "This is a known religious minority whose rights have been protected by courts around the world," Burns said.

    The group has submitted an application to the European Court of Human Rights for a ruling. Russia signed the European Convention on Human Rights in 1998.

    Though the ban has yet to take effect, the ruling is already having consequences.

    Marchenko says his congregation, which has about 100 members, has been thrown out of the theatre where it had been holding its services.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses have accused Russia's Orthodox Church, to which the great majority of Russians at least nominally belong, of pushing hard for the ban behind the scenes.

    Burns says a Church representative was present during the trial to advise the prosecution.

    Church officials deny any involvement in the case but say they do believe the Witnesses' activities should be restricted.

    "We are very much against the activities of the Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, especially their aggressive missionary activities," said Vsevolod Chaplin, a spokesman for the Moscow Patriarchy.

    "The Church has never officially supported or condemned the case against them .... We are not rallying for state repression, but the majority of our believers would say that their activities should be limited."

    Prominent Russian rabbi Berl Lazar responded to the ban with careful comments, saying that in "the relationship of a person with the Almighty, there cannot and should not be any restrictions of freedom. But as regards relationships among people, the law has the right to say its piece."

    The head of the Central Spiritual Directorate of Russian Muslims, Talgat Tadzhuddin, wholeheartedly welcomed the ban, telling the Interfax news agency that the ruling was "a milestone and positive event."

    Said Tadzhuddin: "The people of Russia have already suffered enough. They are fed up with ideologies alien to Russian beliefs."

    The ruling drew stern rebukes from groups supporting religious freedom and human rights.

    The U.S. State Department weighed in, with public-affairs assistant secretary Richard Boucher urging "local authorities and the Russian government to honour their commitments to respect the right of all faiths to religious freedom."

    Lawrence Uzzell, president of the U.S.-based International Religious Freedom Watch and an authority on the former Soviet Union, said the ruling is worrying because Jehovah's Witnesses are often a litmus test for religious freedom.

    "There are religions that are very well liked and respected; the Jehovah's Witnesses are not one of them. But they are perfectly legal in every country that meets the minimum standards for religious freedom.

    "They are pushy, they are obnoxious, but they test whether you really believe in freedom of religion."

    Uzzell called the ruling part of a "slow and steady decline" in religious tolerance in Russia that could serve as a precedent for attacks against other religious minorities.

    "There have been other problems for religious organizations in the past, such as getting registration," he said. "But this is the first time one has actually been banned."

    Burns worries that other Russian communities will follow the capital's lead.

    "Moscow is the model for the rest of the country, so we're anticipating problems in other communities," he says.

    "Other religious minorities should really be watching this case, because they may be next."

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    Oppression can NEVER defeat a cult religion... all it does is create martyrs and cause others to dig in with even more conviction.

    But aggression will sure show those muslims what-for, eh?

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    The only way to defeat a cult like the WTS is through education...

    This doesn't work too well when a cult uses mind control and other tactics to keep its members from being educated by people on the "outside."

    That presents a problem... no method from outsiders is sure to work!

    The best way to reduce membership is for the WTS to do another 1975.

  • galaxy7
    galaxy7

    They love it. Now they can say how much they are hated and how that proves we are in the time of the end.

    I agree education is the way to go.Send every JW a free copy of crisis of conscience

  • Navigator
    Navigator

    Elsewhere is correct. Oppression only strengthens a cult like the J.W.s. I got some advice from a Disciple of Christ minister who had been raised by a JW aunt which went, "There is only one way to deal with J.W.s, you just have to out-love them". They don't know how to deal with that as their model is "conditional love".

  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    the russian gov't is doing a fine thing, just think how many people well be saved from being turned into wt zombies. if more nations did the same 50 years ago . we would not be here today telling stories how the craptower, messed up so many of our lives, families, and ripped off your $$$$$$$ . and we all should send letters to the u.s. state dept and let richard boucher know what the wt is really all about. funny the wt says it's not political , but they are crying to the european court. good for the russians hope they send the gb to siberia and all jw's that want to follow them . to bad the united states didn't do this in 1916-1918 when they shut down many zealot newpapers, and commy unions. they missed one of the worse commy empires the wtbts. john

  • itsallgoodnow
    itsallgoodnow

    I'd like to live to see this religion flounder and die out, but I'm beginning to face the reality that there are always going to be people attracted to the JWs or this type of group. They like the ideology, elitist status or have a generally pessimistic world view. Even failed prophesy doesn't seem to shake the faith of the truly committed, it only slows them down for a while.

    However, I'm excited that I can see their control of information (so important to keeping their people hostage) is threatened by the ease and secrecy of the internet, which is, in my opinion, the best thing to happen to witnesses so far, making it possible for so many to see this religion for what it truly is, just lies and oppression. There will always be some who would never do any outside research on their religion, but I think the internet will change the demographics of this group in ways that will affect their ability to reach many people. One can always hope, I suppose.

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    I totally agree about the "education of Jehovah's Witnesses", and I easily spend more than half my day to emailing letters to the news media, and posting on any discussion boards where there 's a topic that will support my "anti" views.

    I believe in practically flooding the boards periodically, showing all the "hidden" crap, like the real reason for the donation arrangement, the Tacoma parking lot scam, the UN discovery and its aftermath of WTS foolish and feeble damage control attempts, the twisted doctrine and goofy dogma we can find at "Quotes", AND.....the memorable "Kingdom Ministrys " containing directives from the head honchos to STAY OFF the dreaded internet because the evil Apostates are there to catch them with lies about their "faith"!

    There are "newbies" and lurkers of WTS pro-and-con at any given time, and we all know that an INFORMED JW is an EXJW! If not outwardly...the info has been seen and "digested" and will ALWAYS "be there" deep down-like it or not! It will "be recalled" when something they've seen here will then be said at a meeting or a magazine they're reading, and it will "needle" them, only if even a tiny bit at first!

    Despite that "loving counsel" from the KMs, the JWs continue to come in to debate, argue and defend the WTS teachings---even when they are shown this forceful "advice" and they KNOW they are "talking with Apostates"...it just shows that the control is nowhere near the level that the GB would hope (grin), and that these same JWs are unable to make satisfactory defenses before (Apostate) men. We're not their average "householder", but we're the WTS' worst enemy----WELLL INFORMED and WISE to the WTS tactics and manipulation!

    I was having personal doubts about the "love" in the Organization (or, lack of it!) and knew nothing about doctrinal issues or any of the other "deeper" things that are twisted and off-the-wall from the get-go......UNTIL I went to the old h20 board not knowing what it was all about .......and was shocked at the disrespectful remarks and sacreligious comments about "our" JW beliefs made there. I used to get SO angry at certain posters I grew to recognize after a while. THEN I began to CHECK the things out that had links or references to check......and I got quite an education!

    I also used to cringe at the posts supposedly made by active JWs, that were weird and prophetic and just plain outlandish, according to my 30-year frame of reference AS a JW! Weird stuff!

    So, boards like this (ESPECIALLY where we can expose the WTS and not be as restricted as on Beliefnet) are a real boon to being able to show all the documents and BOE letters and UN stuff......so that JWs can SEE for themselves just what's been going on behind their blinded backs and enlighten them! That's why I think it's "beneficial" (using the WTS vernacular :) to KEEP on showing these documented proofs AS proof that the WTS are deliberately deceptive liars.

    Cuz..........it WORKS!!!!

    hugs,

    Annie............who remembers a fella named Farkel on H20---VERY well! LOL!

    (waving to Farkel :o)

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    When the Internet first debut the Watchtower denounced it as the "tool of Satan". Devastating inroads are being mad e against the WT$ on the information superhighway. The counter-cult coalition creating a seamless system to fight cult crime.In my outreach as an apprentice cult buster.The closing remark people often make,even if they don't accept my arguments.IS,there sure are a LOT of sites out there! As the world turns,in all time zones.Yes, while I'm getting my beauty sleep.... We are inflicting some serious mortal damage on the Watchtower cult. Watchtower liar man on fire. I'm gloating, www.DannyHaszard.com

  • sf
    sf

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