WAR.My View Of It.

by Blueblades 11 Replies latest jw friends

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  Blueblades

  WAR. A state of hostility accompanied by actions designed to subjugate or to destroy those viewed as the enemy.

  God - Ordained Warfare, Jesus foretold Warfare,ever since the turning of the Flaming Sword at the entrance to the Garden of Eden ( If you believe the Bible ).

  The two opposing sides have always believed in their own cause, that they were right, Holy, etc.Mankind's inhumanity to man has always been with us.The list of whom did what to who is endless as history testifies.We do not need the particulars here, for again the history list goes on and on.From God at the entrance to the Garden to the present time War has been inescapeable for most of humanity.

  When and how will this madness end? Please, you tell me.

  Blueblades
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  kls

  My view is it never will .
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  SixofNine

  When and how will this madness end? Please, you tell me.

  Well, not in my lifetime that's for sure. But, and I'll catch flack for saying this, war is kinder and gentler than it has ever been, even as weaponry has gotten more lethal. I think the future will bring less war, and certainly less innocent civilian casualties.

  Or, GW Bush may get reelected and continue a downward spiral of locker-room leadership (the dumb jock, not the smart coach) that will guarantee a life of violence for the next several generations. Maybe a big boom and earth go byebye.
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  Yerusalyim

  Unless you have a religious view there's really no hope of violence or war going away.

  Six,

  We just disagree, I thin what Bush is doing will, in the long run, bring peace. Nothing spurs on a bully more than meekness. Not to do what we're doing would be a signal to those in the world that would do us harm that we are vulnerable.
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  Carmel

  The belief that man is incorigable and incapble of becoming peaceful is falacious and not based on sound data. By far the majority of people are peace loving, see good in others and want to have for themselves the freedoms and opportunities that many enjoy. Our own history is evidence of dramatic change in collective behavior. In spite of our political and economic systems which tend to divide, we have risen above what many societies are still struggling with. I am absolutely convinced that circumstances will evolve where even the bitterest enemys will become allies. Little by little, day by day, the old systems and ideas are being replaced by paradigms that will lead to the conciousness that we are all one kind and that violence may have short term rewards, but will not be lasting. I would love to see what my grand children will witness in the way nations and peoples relate to one another. I expect great things.

  carmel
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  Yerusalyim

  The belief that man is incorigable and incapble of becoming peaceful is falacious and not based on sound data.

  Wrongo, if we look at nature, we find aggressive behavior in all species. No need to believe we're above that.
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  SixofNine

  Nothing spurs on a bully more than meekness.

  First of all, I don't really advocate meekness to bullies, unless meekness to bullies is what is needed to save the lives of my loved ones. I'd probably agree with you that it is seldom the correct course. IMO, comparing terrorist to the kid at school who bullies other kids is overly simplistic, and just not helpful. In fact, it probably isn't even the slightest bit accurate in the world of analogies. Just as it isn't helpful to call every person who ever shoots at an American in anger w/o being conscripted into the military of a UN recognized nation a "terrorist", it probably isn't helpful to view every terrorist in the same light you view the kid who stole other kids lunch money in 2nd grade.

  The two are not the same, all the armchair generals in every corner of America can chant in unison on sept 11 2005 "don't let bullies push us around!!!!", and the two will still not be the same.

  Now Saddam, who was not a terrorist, but rather an "evil dictator", and in fact was looked down upon by the particular terrorist who were and are terrorizing America, was in fact a "bully", but let's be honest, no bully you or I ever encountered was like Saddam Insane. He is a bully in the way the baddest muffucka in the mafia is a bully. He is not a coward under his tough looking shell, he is evil and very brave and hard as carbide. Introspection and counselling won't help him. Further, his "bullying" was not directed at America, or really, anyone but his own people. And as I made the point on another thread, those people under him, did not ask for Americas help. In fact, they didn't even know they needed it. If you're a muslim living in an Najaf or where ever, and you hate Saddam Hussein, it does not mean that you naturally think of the US as the solution to all your problems. 50 caliber machine gun fire laying waste to your family, even though it was "collateral" to the military objective of GW Bush, will probably not convince you otherwise.
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  SixofNine

  and in fact was looked down upon by the particular terrorist who were and are terrorizing America,

  And that terrorist/organization remains: Osama bin Laden and Al Queda.

  I may be ADD, but I'm not running for office either. Focus!
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  myauntfanny

  Yeru

  We just disagree, I thin what Bush is doing will, in the long run, bring peace. Nothing spurs on a bully more than meekness. Not to do what we're doing would be a signal to those in the world that would do us harm that we are vulnerable.

  The thing is that this seems to imply that Iraq was bullying us, and that we invaded to show the world that we couldn't be bullied. I am NOT a pacifist, I believe if someone hits you, hit back as hard as you can. But Iraq was not bullying us. No Iraqis were involved in 911. In fact, Iraq was extremely vulnerable when we invaded due to years of embargoes. I think it very likely that Saddam Hussein could have been removed by his own people with US support, probably with far less loss of life on both sides. There had in fact been a previous attempt to overthrow him by his own people, who had begged in vain for help from the US. Although the US had been urging them to do it, the US then withheld the support when it came to the crunch.
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  Yerusalyim

  MYAUNT,

  Saddam was a bully, he tried to bully Iran, he bullied Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia, and in general said F*CK OFF to the UN...that's been fixed now.

  That you don't think Saddam was a threat and I do just shows there are not as many solid answers in this as we'd like.

  Saddam funded, aided and abetted terrorists....that's just a fact

  Saddam violated the cease fire agreement time and time again...that's also a fact and that fact alone justified the resumption of hostilities...We'd all have been MUCH better off if Bush 41 would have taken Saddam out the first time around.