Breaking news: Nerve gas found in Iraq

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  • myauntfanny
    myauntfanny

    There's also this:

    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/

    which includes this

    Because the old "binary-type" artillery shell requires the mixing of two chemical components in separate sections of the cell to produce the sarin, it is likely that the insurgents who rigged it as a roadside bomb were unaware that it contained chemicals for producing the nerve agent rather than explosives, Kimmitt said.
    Because the old "binary-type" artillery shell requires the mixing of two chemical components in separate sections of the cell to produce the sarin, it is likely that the insurgents who rigged it as a roadside bomb were unaware that it contained chemicals for producing the nerve agent rather than explosives, Kimmitt said.

    and this

    But David Kay, the former chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq, said the discovery does not provide evidence that Saddam was secretly producing weapons of mass destruction after the Gulf War, as alleged by the Bush administration to justify the war that removed him from power.

    Shell could be leftover from before Gulf War"I think all of us have known that because of the sheer volume of artillery (containing agents like sarin that were in the Iraqi arsenal prior to the Gulf War) ... that there were likely to be some of these still around Iraq," he told MSNBC TV. "But (the discovery) doesn't speak to the issue of whether weapons of mass destruction were still being produced in Iraq in the mid-1990s."

  • Simon
    Simon

    Jeez ... soon they'll be picking up bullets and shouting "ah-ha !!" we have the evidence.

    C'mon - labelling people Bush haters because we don't believe that *one* shell was justification for war is just making you look incredibly petty and DESPARATE !!

  • dubla
    dubla
    because we don't believe that *one* shell was justification for war

    one shell (by itself) isnt justification for war.....one shell simply further proves what we already knew, that saddam was indeed lying about having ZERO wmd left over...that he was not complying with the resolutions. like i said in the other thread, its too soon to declare the latest two finds as the official smoking gun, but they certainly raise some questions. some clips i posted in the other thread:

    But if this shell is what it seems - a filled chemical munition - where did it come from? And how many more shells might there be?

    Iraq was supposed to have destroyed all such munitions under United Nations supervision in the wake of the 1991 Gulf War..............

    Iraq had large stocks of 155mm shells containing mustard gas.

    But it claimed only to have filled a small number of such shells with binary nerve agent as an experimental project, which the Iraqis said, never entered full-scale production.

    Nobody knows how many such shells were manufactured or how many may exist today...........

    One shell clearly does not make a chemical arsenal.

    But if Iraqi insurgents knew where to find this one, there is the disturbing possibility for the US-led coalition that other similar munitions may have fallen into their hands.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722855.stm

    is just making you look incredibly petty and DESPARATE !!

    immediately waving off any and every find of this nature as insignificant also smacks of extreme desperation.

    aa

  • amac
    amac
    The fact of the matter is, it is a WMD probably taken from a hidden stockpile of some kind.

    That's hardly a fact is it? More like your presumptious conclusion. I'm sorry, but one shell does not prove anything either way. There could be a myriad reasons for that being in Iraq, so to presume that it means they have stockpiles is ridiculous.

  • heathen
    heathen

    I can agree that having found this type of weapon that it was not an immediate threat to the national security of the USA . They do need to find something that can definately be defined as an imposing threat to nations in europe or the USA to justify the pre war lies they told . This has been a very costly invasion and at this point I think we need far more evidence than that to support GW and Tony Blairs assertions that the UN weapons inspectors could not have kept saddam in check .

  • RevMalk
    RevMalk
    C'mon - labelling people Bush haters because we don't believe that *one* shell was justification for war is just making you look incredibly petty and DESPARATE !!

    Well, first of all - no-one labeled any particular person a Bush hater and second of all, no-one said it had anything to do with any opinion stated on this thread; and third - who needs to be desperate here? You whiners are just going to continue pissing out this foolishness while those of us that support our President, our troops and this war smirk in amusement.

    I support Bush now and most likely will do so for the duration of his 8 years in Presidency. The very statement you've made above and assuming that we're "desperate" (for some unknown reason) proves to me that you don't have a grasp whatsoever on reality here. Your mind is so wound up on the whole thing that you can't even imagine that any of us might have a valuable opinion. I would respect your views at least a little if I ever once saw you put forth some sort of effort in respecting any person on this forum that had an opinion contrary to your own.

    Rev

  • Simon
    Simon
    You whiners are just going to continue pissing out this foolishness while those of us that support our President, our troops and this war smirk in amusement.

    Show some respect and stop with the insults.

    The simple fact is that we have had to endure a barrage of lies, crap and manipulation for some time and enough is enough. If you want to jump on *one* shell being found as the justification for your war then fine. But do me a favour - stop with the pretence that you are a christian and this whole "rev" thing eh? It makes my stomach churn.

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    YEP. HERE GOES SIMON AGAIN.

    JUMP RIGHT ON THE LEAST .

    STRETCHING HIS OWN RULES.

    Outoftheorg

  • Simon
    Simon
    STRETCHING HIS OWN RULES.

    Give me some evidence or else get the hell out of my face pal.

  • RevMalk
    RevMalk
    Show some respect and stop with the insults.

    The simple fact is that we have had to endure a barrage of lies, crap and manipulation for some time and enough is enough. If you want to jump on *one* shell being found as the justification for your war then fine. But do me a favour - stop with the pretence that you are a christian and this whole "rev" thing eh? It makes my stomach churn.

    Nice. Great example Simon.

    Rev

    PS - My user name has nothing to do with Christ, and if I did have a thread of respect for you I might volunteer what it does stand for.

    edited to add that I don't believe this shell is evidence, I was merely attempting to show respect for those that have the opinion that it does. It's ok for them to believe it Simon, this is a free world, it doesn't belong to you, get used to it.

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