Religious Extremists Will be the End of Us!

by Greenpalmtreestillmine 22 Replies latest social current

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  ThiChi

  ""Are the Crusades destined to happen all over again?""
  

  Good example. The Christian Kingdoms each time responded to a Muslim Invasion and Conquest. Should we have laid down and died?

  As an example, the Reconquista, or the invasion of the Moors (Muslims) in Spain. If the Christian Kingdoms did not respond to the Muslin Invasion of Spain, Spain would not exist as we know it today. The Crusades slowed and stopped/repelled in most cases, the Muslim onslaught in Western Europe.

  If you are relying on JW propaganda regarding the Crusades, try reading some History on your own. A good book is "A Concise History of the Crusades" by Thomas Madden

  Regarding the Native Indians, I too, feel regret on how Humans have trampled Humans. However, the reality of life is that you cannot name one Nation that has not been invaded at one time or another, with people displaced. It is a fact.

  As world Powers go, the US is the most benevolent world power in History. We could of had it all after WWII, instead we help build Nations to even greater prosperity (Japan, Germany). What other world power of the past would have done this? Where is the context?
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  ThiChi

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  heathen

  ThiChi--- I wouldn't be so hastey as to assume the US has the same goals as it did in the past . We have yet to see how Iraq flourishes after this mess the US made . I think right now the biggest threat to stability in the region is the pressence of the US forces . If the US wants to do nation building I think they should start at home .
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  ThiChi

  Heathen:

  I feel the jury is still out on the success of Iraq. Time will tell. Notwithstanding, it can be debated if Saddam?s aggression toward its people and other Nations in the 1980's were worse than what you have now. I feel it was.

  However, geo- politically, the US is in a very strategic location to launch anti-terrorist operations into the surrounding areas. This is a very compelling reason for existing in Iraq.
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  Realist

  greenpalmy,

  i find it very hard to believe that the bush admin is acting because of religion. through the centuries the leaders always have used a) RELIGION and b) NATIONALISM to get the pawns to attack each other. the guys pulling the strings on the bush puppet are not more religious than the people who pulled the strings on clinton.

  thichi,

  you get something wrong here....it was NOT the christian religion but rather the ELIMINATION of the church that allowed europe to prosper.
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  heathen

  ThiChi --- I have no confidence that what the US is doing will put an end to terrorists , that's just a Bush pipe dream there . I think we have too many domestic problems to be concerned with nation building and spending 100's of billions of dollars on a country that has no desire to change .
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  Farkel

  sabrina,

  : Are the Crusades destined to happen all over again?

  No. Truth will ALWAYS prevail over hate. Sooner or later. Don't worry about it. Hate has never ultimately won against truth. That is the fatal flaw of the the Islamic asshole Jihadists. They live in the 7th Century and think that 7th Century thinking works in the 21st Century. Trust me. They will NOT prevail. The world has changed and they haven't. They are doomed by their own anachronism of being.

  Farkel
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  ThiChi

  ""thichi,

  you get something wrong here....it was NOT the christian religion but rather the ELIMINATION of the church that allowed europe to prosper.""

  Realist: The Church was never eliminated. In fact, we owe it our way of life.

  There can be little doubt that the Crusades slowed the advance of Islam. The presence of the Crusader states in the Near East for almost two centuries certainly destabilized Muslim power and therefore hindered unification into a single Islamic state.

  The Crusades bought western Europe some time. Judging by the number of occasions on which Europe narrowly escaped Turkish invasion in the 15 th and 16 th centuries, Europe had need of that time.

  Give credit where credit is due.
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  Sirius Dogma

  It doesn't matter whether they are fundamentalist jew, christian, or muslim. If someone believes their religion is the only possible way to serve god and all others are deserving of death, then they are a fundamentalist kook. One of biggest problems is tolerance. As the planet shrinks most religions are teaching more tolerance, the fundies are teaching NO tolerance.

  The only comforting thought is that all these kooks hate each oher and want to kill eachother. I say let them. They maybe the rest of us can be left in peace.
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  Realist

  thichi,

  the technological progress happened despite the church NOT BECAUSE OF IT!!! you surely have to recognize that!

  at the time of the crusades islam was more civilized than christianity. besides that....do you have a link to the story that says it was the crusades that prevented a unification of islam and an occupation of europe?