They are playing the Iraq abuse video's all over British tv

by Brummie 32 Replies latest social current

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  Xena

  Weird how 6 or 7 nutjobs just happened to end up in one common place, doing a common job of whatever it is nutjobs do, at this one critical point in history.

  I don't find it that weird, people like that tend to gravitate toward each other I would imagine. And with what appears to be a lack of supervison on the part of their superiors I'm not suprised this happened...appalled, yes....suprised, no. Just look at what goes on in some of the prisions here in the states. As for the video, stuff like this sells papers, makes people tune in to watch the news....just like rubbernecking on the highway to see an accident. Not a real pleasant aspect of human nature but one easily exploitable by both liberal and conservative alike.
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  Realist

  as the stanford experiment (and many real life cases show) this sort of thing is bound to happen if there is no guidance. sadly its human nature.
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  SixofNine

  I don't find it that weird, people like that tend to gravitate toward each other I would imagine.

  I never thought to the Army as the type of place people could gravitate around at will in.

  Its called war and people fight wars, I suppose in your ideal world, everyone is perfect, unfortunately, in the real world where the rest of us live, they are not.

  er, no. But I won't apologize for holding people, especially warriors, to some standards. Anyone who cares will do the same, and anyone who doesn't can go make love to themselves.
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  Xena

  Six,

  People in a congergations tended to gravitate toward the same types....or they did in the ones I attended...people in a workplace tend to gravitate toward other people that are like them..or they do where I work...people on this forum tend to gravitate toward people they have common views with.....it's human nature...I'm sure within units in the army it's the same. The only thing weird I find is that this needs to be explained to you.
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  searcher

  er, no. But I won't apologize for holding people, especially warriors, to some standards.

  No apology expected or needed, warriors ARE held to certain standards, in fact, it is possible for a military person to be prosecuted and punished twice for the same offence, under Military and Civilian Law.

  My point is, people should be punished for over stepping the boundary's, I just dont see the point of spreading pictures (especially ones that have been proven to be fake, all over the world and giving terrorists the advantage of having the weapon of crying "abuse" at every turn, to use against our own people.

  Enemy propaganda should be left to the enemy to spread around.

  Certainly there should be investigations and punishments for the guilty, it would be quite easy for the media to take any pictures or proof to the govermnent concerned and push for justice, but no, they would rather go with the sensationalism and sell papers, get most of the world turned against their country's military and sit back and say that they cry "freedom of the press".

  With freedom comes responsibility, they should learn that.

  For better or worse, we are in this war, helping the enemy by giving them a possible platform for propaganda is traitorous.

  When a person always believes the worst of their own 'side' is also traitorous.

  Justice works both ways.
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  Simon

  I think it far more traiterous to try and excuse the criminal actions of your own forces and excuse barbaric actions simply because the people doing it "wore your colours"

  How can believing **the truth** ever be traiterous? That is zealotry gone mad. To call it propaganda shows IMO that you do not know what propaganda really is.

  If you are so incensed by it, you should direct your displeasure towards those responsible who have let the country and everyone else down and not those who want to hold people to the standards that they claim to represent.

  Perhaps if there wasn't such a history of cover up, denial and lies then we would be less insistent on proof.

  A more recent example is the wedding bombing. Now with video evidence that it **WAS** a wedding.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3741223.stm
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  searcher

  As you do not seem to want to understand my point, there is no point to this.

  I would have thought though Simon, that you of all people would get my point, after all, there was a site set up to just to slam you.

  Whatever you do, whether it is right or wrong, you know what happens there.

  That is the sort of thing I am against in the media with the military, I am not, and never was, trying to condone barbaric behaviour, but as I have learned, there is no point trying to discuss that, certain ones on here do not discuss, nor see (not necessarily agree with but SEE) the point that the other person is trying to make.
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  Simon

  I would have thought though Simon, that you of all people would get my point, after all, there was a site set up to just to slam you.

  Whatever you do, whether it is right or wrong, you know what happens there.

  Yes, but there is a huge difference: they just make up malicious lies. If what they said was true and they had any sort of proof of their claims then should I / would I be able to complain about it? No. (As it is, they just aren't worth the effort)
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  Englishman

  I just dont see the point of spreading pictures (especially ones that have been proven to be fake, all over the world and giving terrorists the advantage of having the weapon of crying "abuse" at every turn, to use against our own people.

  Enemy propaganda should be left to the enemy to spread around.

  I tend to agree with this.

  We have to be open about our own sides abuses. However, it seems to me that when we are so intent on bashing our own people so much for so long that we play right into the terrorists hands. We give them their publicity free.

  It's all a matter of degree, is it not?

  Englishman.
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  Simon

  But I take it you think spreading our own bullshit propaganda is ok then eh? Of course ... that's different. That's us !

  News is news and something that will have such a big impact as what happens to Iraq AND the US for the next 10 - 20 years IS slightly important don't you think?

  And if you don't think it has any impact then why the complaining about it?

  How much better to do what is promised and make sure that things are done properly. It seems now that people want to blame the victims (ie. the country where abuses are taking place) for what has happened instead of the morons who did it, sanctioned it & promoted it.