Per Celtic's doom-and-gloom post: is it the end of the world as we know it?

by True North 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • True North
    True North

    In reply to the thread "If things turn ugly for the Western world, will you run back to "Mother"?", Celtic said the following:

    Move to Canada. Wilderness, enough fire wood to last donkey's years in driftwood alone, hunt, fish, become self sufficient, go organic. Thats what I'm planning, because why? Because I'm seriously worried this culture in Britain has only 15-20 years maximum before all hell breaks loose and the country literally dies on it's feet....Our country is by no means any longer sustainable, it's heading for a 'nervous breakdown' of sorts.

    I haven't heard this kind of sentiment expressed much since the 1970s and 1980s. Is this a common sentiment in the UK these days? What exactly is going on that would lead to such an outlook?

  • Valis
    Valis

    *LOL* NOT!

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer of the "Deja Vu" class

  • Brummie
    Brummie
    What exactly is going on that would lead to such an outlook?

    Cider maybe?

    I havent heard such a bleak outlook since I finished reading the Watchtowers doom and gloom stuff years ago.

    Brummie

  • Country Girl
    Country Girl

    Climate change heralds thirsty times ahead
    09:00 22 May 04
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    Fresh water will be in ever shorter supply as climate change gathers pace. A that increasing temperatures will dramatically affect the world's great rivers.

    While flows will increase overall, with some rivers becoming more swollen, many that provide water for the majority of the world's people will begin to dry up.

    Some of these predicted changes are already happening. A second study shows temperature changes have affected the flow in many of the world's 200 largest rivers over the past century, with the flow of Africa's rivers declining over the past 10 years.

    Availability of water across the world

    Veteran climate modeller Syukuro Manabe and colleagues at Princeton University modelled what effect a quadrupling of atmospheric carbon dioxide above pre-industrial levels would have on the global hydrological cycle over the next 300 years. That looks further ahead than most climate models, but the scenario is inevitable unless governments take drastic action to limit greenhouse gas emissions.

    Evaporation and precipitation

    Rising CO 2 levels will trigger higher temperatures not only at the Earth's surface, but also in the troposphere, the team says. By factoring this into the models, together with changes to levels of water vapour, cloud cover, solar radiation and ozone, the team predicted the effect that climate change would have on evaporation and precipitation.

    Both would increase, the researchers found, causing the discharge of fresh water from rivers around the world to rise by almost 15 per cent. However, while water is going to be more plentiful in regions that already have plenty, the net effect will be to take the world's water further from where the people are.

    "Water stresses will increase significantly in regions that are already relatively dry," Manabe reports in the journal Climate Change (vol 64, p 59).

    Evaporation will reduce the moisture content of soils in many semi-arid parts of the world, including north-east China, the grasslands of Africa, the Mediterranean and the southern and western coasts of Australia. Soil moisture will fall by up to 40 per cent in southern states of the US, Manabe says.

    Desert irrigation

    The effects on the world's rivers will be just as dramatic. The biggest increases will be in the thinly populated tropics and the far north of Canada and Russia. For instance, the flow of the river Ob in Siberia is projected to increase by 42 per cent by the end of the 23rd century.

    This prediction could encourage Russia's plans to divert Siberian rivers to irrigate the deserts around the Aral Sea (New Scientist, 9 February 2004).

    Similar changes could increase pressure from the US for Canada to allow transfers from its giant Pacific rivers to water the American West. Manabe predicts a 47 per cent increase in the flow of the Yukon river.

    By contrast, there will be lower flows in many mid-latitude rivers which run through heavily populated regions. Those that will start to decline include the Mississippi, Mekong and especially the Nile, one of the world's most heavily used and politically contested rivers, where his model predicts an 18 per cent fall in flow.

    "Profound challenge"

    The changes will present a "profound challenge" to the world's water managers, Manabe says. They are also likely to fuel calls for a new generation of super-dams and canals to move water round the planet, like China's current scheme to transfer water between north and south.

    Some of the findings are controversial. The UK Met Office's climate model predicts that flows in the Amazon could fall this century, while Manabe's team predicts greater rainfall could increase its flow by 23 per cent.

    And while Manabe foresees a 49 per cent increase in the flow of the Ganges and Brahmaputra rivers that drain the Himalayas, an international study reported that the Ganges would lose flow as the glaciers that feed it melt away (New Scientist print edition, 8 May 2004).

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    Meanwhile, a team of researchers in France say that climate change is already affecting the world's rivers. David Labat and colleagues at the government's CNRS research agency in Toulouse reconstructed the monthly discharges of more than 200 of the world's largest rivers since 1875.

    They took discharge data held by the Global Runoff Data Centre in Germany and the UNESCO River Discharge Database and used a statistical technique to fill in gaps left by missing data, or changes to run-off caused by dams and irrigation projects (Advances in Water Resources, DOI: 10.1016/j.advwatres.2004.02.020).

    Their findings reveal that changing temperatures cause river flows to rise and fall after a delay of about 15 years, and the team predicts that global flows will increase by about 4 per cent for every 1 °C rise in global temperature.

    However, climate change over the past few decades has already caused discharge from rivers in North and South America and Asia to increase. Run-off in Europe has remained stable, but the flow of water from Africa's rivers has fallen.

    Fred Pearce
  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Celty grins from ear to ear in anticipation of this post

  • Dan-O
    Dan-O

    The other night I dreamt of knives,

    Continental drift divide

    Mountains sit in a line,

    Leonard Bernstein

    Leonid Brezhnev, Lenny Bruce and Lester Bangs

    Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean, boom!

    You symbiotic, patriotic,

    Slam book neck, right Right

    It's the end of the world as we know it

    (It's time I had some time alone)

    It's the end of the world as we know it

    (It's time I had some time alone)

    It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine

  • El blanko
    El blanko

    I understand what Celtic is saying and share his vision of a simpler life closer to nature.. and yes, the UK in many places (especially inner city areas) is no picnic.

    The culture underpinning this country of ours is one driven for the main part by selfishness. This at a very basic level manifests itself in key areas like respect for the land and property of others.

    There is a festering underbelly to this land that is eroding sound values.

    I've felt it for years, from the late 1970s onwards. Even as a child the subtle shift in attitude became tangible. There is definitely more division and less love amongst the people in my own experience.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    Celtic has plenty of nice dirt around him in Cornwall and I'm sure he could do just as well there as he could anywhere else.

    Just look at his pics.

    You can't tell me you can't grow enough tucker in your beautiful neck of the woods Celty. My ancestors did it for many centuries, you just have to own enough of it, and that's the bit tricky bit.

  • Satans little helper
    Satans little helper

    Cornwall is absolutely lush, its a well known fact that if god wasnt a Cornishman then he'd have a holiday home in St Ives.

    Seriously though, I can relate to where Mark is coming from. I moved away 5 years ago because the cost of living was so high and the wages so low. I'm currently planning to move to Oz within the next 3 years because I dont want to raise kids in the UK, it really is falling apart and people dont give a toss about each other any more.

  • ohiocowboy
    ohiocowboy

    I try not to think about it too much, but I do feel that something is going to happen. I have been reading more and more on the net, and there are so many things going on in the world, that it seems that it is getting overwhelming. So many people are talking about events happening, starting this year. My brain is getting fried thinking of these things and reading about them. Major terror attacks, Beginning of another World War, Nuclear threats, biological and chemical threats-Yes, these threats have been around for awhile now, but it seems that they are escalating at an incredible rate. Everywhere I read states that these things ARE going to happen, not a "maybe" or a "Possibility", but just a matter of when. I think I am ready to crawl back in my hole again....

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