how far would you have gone?

by zen nudist 20 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Crooked Lumpy Vessel

  In all fairness, I dont think the governing body has ever indicated that they would make such a request. However, that does not mean anyone stopped a few freaks and/or retarded persons from being baptized as a JW. Which it sounds like that brother might be.

  How far would I go...well. I think I allowed the GB's interpretation of the bible to put me in danger when I signed my blood transfusion rights away. I thought at the time I was doing the right thing but now I am not sure anymore. However, even with all I know, I am still not sure if I would allow a blood transfusion...I am scared of the other aspects of it too. They put the fear in me.

  I am still in the beginning or my deprogrmaming phase.
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  blondie

  The thing to remember about the cults that did eventually kill themselves and/or other members is that it did not get that way overnight. As time went by, people dropped out that were not willing to go the extra mile in being controlled. Eventually, it was only the truly true believers that remained or enough to make sure the others complied.

  Not everyone drank the koolaid willingly. Some did so with a gun to the head and some were shot because they tried to run away (Jonestown).

  Do I think the WTS is anywhere near that stage, no. I've been away only 3 years, so I feel safe in stating that opinion. What will 20 or 25 years bring.....

  We don't know what world events may cause the WTS community to get more isolated and suspicious.

  There were days that my husband and I laughed a little saying what would we do if the exits were blocked and the attendants came out with little cups with koolaid....

  Too late, too late....
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  confusedjw

  I knew in my heart I would never sacrifice my child over the blood issue.

  I guess I figured if it really was wrong it would be me that paid the price not my children.

  So this way I had it both ways - they would be alive now and would be in the future - both ways I win.
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  zen nudist

  it seems to me that anyone who has opinions of their own, anyone who thinks for themselves would be the ones that disfellowshipping and dis-associating would weed out, leaving only the hard core followers and believers behind...

  I was picked on quite a bit while in because I would research things and state them in watchtower studies.... I would be praised one week and damned the next for the very same thing... one week the researching supported the other it showed some need of adjustments.

  I remember one day the elder on the platform giving a speech and the following came out of his mouth

  NO INDEPENDENT THINKING---- that is the way of Satan.

  so I asked myself, what other way of thinking is there? dependent thinking.... letting someone else think for you... and that is exactly what all cults want...total submission, total surrender.

  WE ARE BORG--- lower your intellect, surrender your will, your financial and physical resources will be made to do field service for us... resistance is futile... submit or be destroyed.
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  JCanon

  This will ALWAYS be a problem for those inside unless you are paying really close attention to the scriptures. That's because the GB was being used as "God's mouthpiece" but not now; they were disfellowshipped on Nov. 20, 1992 as God's mouthpiece and became the official "evil slave" that was prophesied about.

  This relates to the "what and weeds growing together until the harvest" which describes the organization as one infested with weeds but still being used by God for a time when a separation work will be done. Some can separate if they are Biblically astute but others still can't understand why this "Lamb" is speaking like a "Dragon" and so when the conflict comes between the Bible and the GB, many make the wrong choice and choose the GB, because they have begun to "worship" the "angel" that gave them the truth.

  So the GB and JWs have way more truth than Christendom but less truth and the accrulately known scriptures now so they are in spiritual darkness as far as accurate truth.

  It's a delimmna. Only those abandoning the GB and sticking with the Bible will find their way out. Going to other religions won't work after you know the accruate truth of the WTS; that which is accurate.

  My 2 cents.

  But the parables in the Bible about the "kingdom of the heavens" and what would be going on during the last days is believable as being fulfilled by the WTS, they were used to "preach the good news". But this "slave" was also to become apostate so that's what we're seeing now. The expulsion of God's one-time "mouthpiece". So you have to have BOTH concepts in place. Yes the GB was used as God's mouthpiece for a time, but not now. That's why they don't have the truth any more. Letting go of them is confusing unless you understand this concept.

  JC
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  A Paduan

  Would you - or did you?

  Any one who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But if any one has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

  ".if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law.."
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  Maverick

  I think there would be a lot of dead JWs very fast! With their policy of not having guns, if he was in America will all of us armed people, my .357 will tag him long before he can get close enough to hit me with his window washing squeegee! Maverick
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  Simon

  Why is it such a surprise?

  How many of us would have effectively killed our own kids just because of the GBs interpretation of the bible and what is acceptable medical treatment and what isn't ?

  What is shocking is that not only would some of them do this but they express it and obviously think about it. Surely if they were Christ-like as they claim to be they should say be saying "I hope God never asks us to do this ..."
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  stillajwexelder

  yes the GB is correct Black is White
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  zen nudist

  Surely if they were Christ-like as they claim to be they should say be saying "I hope God never asks us to do this ..."

  Luk 19:27

  But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

  the problem with being christ like in JWs world view is the loving of all including enemies is only a temporary measure until the whistle is blown...and then they watch the enemies die by the sword that procedes out of christs mouth....watch the weeds be tossed to the flames, and the goats go off to destruction....vengence is not removed, only delayed... so it seems perfectly logical to believe that one day they will be asked to murder defenseless women and children just as Moses ordered back in Numbers 31:17