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FreeWilly

Boy those Dubs really like pushing that FEAR button! I wonder if any in attendance thought - for just a moment - about the GRAND SCALE of geonocide they expect their "loving God" to carry out?

Their Jah/Jesus makes Hitler look like Mother Theresa! Imagine a Parent who abandons his children and refuses to make even the slightest attempt to communicate, despite having unlimited power and "myriads of myriads" of personal assistants, and then comes back years later looking to KILL any of them who guessed his intentions incorrectly. We would have no problem locking someone like this up as a murderous maniac, yet if we simply change his name to Jehovah it's now perfectly OK?? What a creepy concept of God.

Gideon

Hello all, this is my relpy to the e-mail that was sent to me.

John 13:34,35 states:"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you that you also love one another.(35) By this all will know (recognize) you are my diciples, if you have love among yourselves."

1Samuel 16:7 states:" Jehovah said to Samuel:" Do not look at his appearance and at the height of his stature,for I have rejected him. For not the way man sees is the way God sees, because mere man sees what appears to the eyes, but as for Jehovah, he sees what the heart is."

In the Illustration, the farmer kills the puppy wolf, because he looked at his outer appearance and did not recognize him.Even though the puppy wolf ran with the wolves (his kind) he still had love for the sheep and the farmer. The farmer killed the puppy wolf because he could not see the heart.

Is'nt it good to know that it is Jehovah God and his appointed King Jesus who will judge us and not man. Because God sees our hearts not just the outer appearance.

cyber-sista

Rather shocking,

This illustration has some other hidden meanings in it I think--or at least at the beginning I was reading something else into it. I was thinking the illustration was leading up to the fact that you can't trust a wolf even if it an innocent little one, because a wolf will always be a wolf and will eventually turn on you. Before I read the ending I thought it was leading up to the fact that you should not feel sorry for worldly people because even if they appear nice they will turn on you in the end.

During one of the last meetings I attended, which made me extremely uneasy was a talk about worldly people and how even if they are nice people, even if they are good and moral, decent and loving-- we should avoid them-- we can't trust them and should not even be speaking with them . So the illustration to me may also be leading a person to the conclusion as to not being showing mercy to anyone outside of the flock. This whole illustration was sick sick sick. I keep thinking about all the people I was close with while in the Org--some of them intelligent and caring people and wonder how they can keep stuffing in this spiritual garbage--well, most of them are on depression medications now--the only way they can handle being one of JWs I'm sure.

Thanks for sharing and welcome too...

Big Tex

Reading that illustration made me physically ill. It really disturbed me. To advocate this way of thinking and then link that to a God of love is wrong on so many levels.

A preacher of a non-demoninational church once told me the illustration of the prodigal son this way:

"Close your eyes and imagine you are walking on a road, off in the distance you see a house. It is God's house. You approach cautiously, even timidly. And as he sees you, he is overjoyed to see you. He runs toward you with arms outstretched. You see his face, and his smile is wide and genuine and as he approaches you he hugs you tightly and with great warmth."

Two illustrations about God. One paints him as a psychotic killer who would murder someone he cares for only because he doesn't recognize him. The other as a parent who not only instantly recognizes someone he cares for, but lavishes upon him immediate and unconditional love.

After years of having the one God beaten into our heads and hearts, it no wonder so many reject the idea of the second.

Chris

greven

I think it is telling that ones calling themselves christian refer to Jesus as some gunwielding sicko that judges on appearance instead of intentions. I guess many JW's would like to be that farmer, shooting wolves. Now that scares me even more.

Greven

Corvin

I would say the puppy lived his wolf life as it should be - JW should say "Jehovah created him this way", so what's wrong with it?

Amen, Mineraldude! " Shall the thing molded say to him that molded it, "Why did you make me this way?" (Romans 9:20)

As for the illustration itself . . .

Dawn

I just have to say....can't they come up with a better illustration? This one is pretty lame.

Gideon

Hello all, this is the response to my comments from the e-mailer.

Sojourner.

The thought or point I gathered from this illustration was that at the beginning the farmer felt sorry for the puppy wolf and thus took him in. In a sense like Jehovah and Jesus Christ does, invites us into His organization. Nourishes us spiritually, mentally and physically. (Is. 55: 1-3)

Though when some are faced with situations that calls for their bible-based conscience to be their guide, some fail to utilize it. Like when the puppy wolf met up with wolves he didn't know or recognize, he began to think about what they were telling him. He felt he had been missing out on something. And with that he allowed what they said to influence his decision to go with them. (Gen. 3:4-6) Some will allow harmful influences to lead them away from serving Jehovah and having his protection. Like the puppy wolf, despite him being a wolf, as long as he was loyal and trustworthy to the farmer, he had the farmers protection. But by the puppy wolf leaving his safe haven being amongst the sheep, he no longer had the protection of the farmer. So, he became vulnerable to whatever happened good or bad.

Satan is constantly seeking ways to break our integrity to Jehovah. And when we stray or leave Jehovah's organization for whatever reason we no longer have His protection. That's not to say we're invincible or don't fall short (Rom.

Vivamus

Wow, i have to say .... i read and commented on that ridiculous puppy/farmer thing .... after that, i told my mum about this, and as i told it, added some drama and just made into an epic tragedy i began to see how a Dub would understand this. And by gosh ..... the reply you got Sojourner, is excactly what i figured a jw would think. Guess i haven't lost it all yet

Anyway, if ya wanne answer in JW-style .... why didn't the farmer talked to the wolves first, before he killed them. He never gave them change ... wasn't there an Awake! he could have given them??

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Blue Bubblegum Girl

cyber-sista

Yes, Sojourner when I flipped into my JW mind that is also the way I would have translated the illustration. It would be the only way I could have swallowed it "then" But "now" is a whole different story. I say that it is multilayered. The trouble with much of the WTs teachings is that the JWs read into them different things depending upon their personality and mental state of mind. I remember some who were so judgmental that they couldn't wait for Jehovah's day of vengence when he would come down and start the massive slaughter of their fellow human beings. I'm sure their sick minds would get off on this illustration and take some joy in the farmer shooting the wolf. Others kinder ones would have sat their in mild disbelief , but then the mentally exhausting assembly program would drone on and on and on until that assembly day ended and another one began. Some people just kind of got stuck in JW land for a while, whether we truly believed it or not--maybe they just kept us too tired to escape.

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