July WT. Contradicts Itself Regarding "Unbelievers"

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  • The Thinker
    The Thinker

    more tests

  • The Thinker
    The Thinker

    more tests..i still haven't got it right !

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    I took my daughter to the meetings since she was a little girl ( a bad decision on my part). She never became a publisher or was she baptized. Since I had promised my unbelieving hubby that it would always be her choice, I didn't push her. (Well, maybe just a little) Anyway, she kept on being badgered all through her teen years by the elders and others to get baptized before it was too late and sometimes it would put her in tears. She would tell me she just wasn't sure about what she wanted to do and didn't feel it in her heart enough to get bapitized.

    When she became an adult she didn't attend meetings as much anymore, but still maintained some of her friendships with those she was raised up with in the Org--this being quite natural as these were the only ones she had associated with since childhood.

    My daughter met a man who she fell in love with who was not a JW and they planned on being married. My husband and I liked the guy, our daughter was happy and afterall it was her choice as an adult--right? Well, not according to what happened over the next months before the wedding.

    Without veering too far off the subject going into all the painful details and many months of elder badgering the bottom line was this: The elders got together and under the direction of the CO they prayed over the matter and came to the conclusion (through holy spirit) they determined that even though she was not a publisher nor was she baptized she was a Jehovah's Witness in her heart and therefore accountable (they wanted to make an example out of her). Of course you could argue that only Jehovah judges hearts, but the elders said that they were judges for Jehovah and when they determine something by holy spirit it is almost always right (the elder did use the term "almost always") The conclusion of the matter was that I had not given her the councel she needed to prevent this from happening (blame blame) and was therefore accountable for not giving the councel. The elders told me that if she wanted to get married she should be looking for a brother. The catch 22 was that she was not qualified to marry a brother...The answer was "Well, if she finds a brother she likes then maybe that will spur her on to getting baptized."

    After months of my family being bashed by the elders (with little respect shown for my unbelieving husband or my daughters rights in the matter) I wrote the society a letter and received this one back. The elders read it too, but disagreed with it and wrote their own letter, which they received an answer to sometime later. They told me the second letter agreed with their point of view. I never saw letter # 2 but the society is not consistent, I know that much--sorry about this attachment being so large--can't seem to get it right and now I can't get rid of it...

  • undercover
    undercover

    cyber-sister,

    Wow. I can't believe that you went through this. I'm flabbergasted. Even though we don't trust the WTS, they really sank to new lows in attacking your daughter who wasn't even an active publisher and unbaptized to boot. And then they have the gall to blame you for your parenting skills in allowing her take this path.

    Do they have no decency or respect for anyone?

  • desib77
    desib77
    "Well, if she finds a brother she likes then maybe that will spur her on to getting baptized."

    Sure, lets push her into marrying a brother so that she can get baptised and feel stuck not only in a marraige that may not be right but also in "the truth".

  • JH
    JH

    If an inactive brother wants to date an active sister, would they want? Both are baptized...

  • desib77
    desib77
    If an inactive brother wants to date an active sister, would they want? Both are baptized...

    I'm sure the active sister would be counciled on her choice of mates.

  • cyber-sista
    cyber-sista

    There were 2 "qualified"baptized brothers in our congo that were near to my daughter's age. I tell you the truth they are both on medication for mental health problems--they have both been in the mental hospital and one is Dfd now (went to prison for a while last year). the other one beat it out of town and we have heard rumours that he is now living a "double life." I kid you not. And, I am supposed to feel bad that she married a mentally balanced kind hearted unbeliever?

  • El blanko
    El blanko
    There were 2 "qualified"baptized brothers in our congo that were near to my daughter's age. I tell you the truth they are both on medication for mental health problems--they have both been in the mental hospital

    I believe you, there were brothers in my congregation of old who were suffering with their health. I am sorry for the situation you and your family found yourselves in. They have no right at all to judge your daughter in this way and stand accountable.

  • codeblue
    codeblue

    ....all's I can think of are the Scribes and Pharisees that added more "rules" and went "beyond" what was written.

    Codeblue

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