Awake! June 22 2004

badboy

It mentiones that a species must have a "first mother and a "first father" etc etc

Is this rubbish?

El blanko

Sounds reasonable to me, yet I believe in male and female creative energy that when combined produce offspring. So therefore, working from my vision, it would sound reasonable.

1+1=1

Wow, I was just thinking about this the other day. I have no faith in a creator anymore, but the fact that it takes male and female to procreate raised some questions about our origin (at least for me). I hope this thread gets nice and long and feisty!

El blanko

I hope this thread gets nice and long and feisty!

It should do when the skeptical scientists jackboot in - attempting to rationalize every damn thing in the universe.

To me, creation could just be basic & simple, an essential fact to this life. Why not? Why keep fighting against it? For me at least, even as a child I believed in God and it didn't go much further than that. Not in to a Church hall, not even into many conversations. My belief was always very private and manifested itself by the magic I felt coursing through the earth. The energies that form this life spoke to me and firmed my belief. All at a deep intuitive level, nothing had to be measured or tested, I just knew.

new light

Bingo, El Blanko! I certainly meant no offense. The reason I have no faith is just what you mentioned, I rationalize everything. I'm still open to the idea of a creator, I just dwell in a world of material fact. I'm not sure if this is the right path, but it's the one I'm on right now. The male and female idea did point me to contemplating a creative force, but I'm not ready to make any statements. I only wanted this thread to get "long and feisty" for selfish reasons, so that I could gather many points of view. I certainly do not think my viewpoint to be superior to anyone else's. Maybe one day I'll have something in which to believe.

dh

reproduction is not creation, humans reproduce, like animals, we do not create life.

gepetto created pinocchio

this means i don't think male/female has anything to do with creation, it could be either, or, both or neither, imo creation requires the intelligence & ability to create. nothing on this planet has enough of either to create life.

greven

To me, the existence of fairies could just be basic & simple, an essential fact to this life. Why not? Why keep fighting against it? For me at least, even as a child I believed in fairies and it didn't go much further than that. Not in to a Fairy Church hall, not even into many conversations. My belief was always very private and manifested itself by the magic I felt coursing through the earth. The energies that form this life spoke to me and firmed my belief. All at a deep intuitive level, nothing had to be measured or tested, I just knew.

I reproduced and slighly altered (replaced 'creation' and 'God' with Fairies) the above statement to show that with such a reason stated for beliefs anything goes. The scientific method of investigation is designed to prevent us from believing things just because we want to. Without a good method of comparison your belief is as good as mine. As I said: anything goes. The problem with such a myriad of differing beliefs is that one cannot distinguise between them. If one truely wants to understand the universe and its phenomenons, it is absolutely necessary to be able to distinguise between fact and feasable explanation on the one hand and utter balony or whishful thinking on the other.

Greven

badboy

greven, there is the interesting question of what is the origin of fairy legends.

logansrun

What about asexual species?

B.

El blanko

Bingo, El Blanko! I certainly meant no offense. The reason I have no faith is just what you mentioned, I rationalize everything. I'm still open to the idea of a creator, I just dwell in a world of material fact. I'm not sure if this is the right path, but it's the one I'm on right now. The male and female idea did point me to contemplating a creative force, but I'm not ready to make any statements. I only wanted this thread to get "long and feisty" for selfish reasons, so that I could gather many points of view. I certainly do not think my viewpoint to be superior to anyone else's. Maybe one day I'll have something in which to believe.

I am at the same place more or less, but heading slowly back out of my purely objective phase of this reality. I am slowly edging back towards being a mystic at heart, in that I learn the deeper truths through my innate intuition which has always dealt with me kindly.

The fact is, we cannot, any of us, rationalize every aspect of this life we share, so I ask myself why I endlessly tried to.

The intuitive part of my nature I have learnt to limit through others and now am learning to expand.

I will never fall in line with the traditional contemporary man of science and share the vision of this life that he asserts to us through the standing empires. Never. I have no interest engaging in the language of his world of knowledge, for it is only language that attempts to firm the vision portrayed and confound the so-called uninformed amongst us. It was not always this way.

In my opinion, you have no need to attempt to rationalize the deeper truths that you search for. Search with your heart.

Awake! June 22 2004

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