State Trooper

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  • RR
    RR

    This is a few years old, but has anyone ever seen this? I didn't know JW's could be state troopers .

    RR

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    Jehovah's Witness won't be a state trooper

    Appeals court rejects man's claim that State Patrol wouldn't accommodate faith

    Saturday, July 13, 2002

    By SCOTT SUNDE
    SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

    Gregory Lawson wanted to be a state trooper and to be true to his religion.

    But he couldn't do both in Washington state, and a federal appeals court ruled yesterday that there is nothing wrong with that.

    Lawson, a Jehovah's Witness and a State Patrol cadet, decided his faith would not allow him to salute the flag nor would it permit him to swear allegiance as part of the trooper's oath. The State Patrol, he said, would not accommodate his religious beliefs, as schools and courts have for those of the Jehovah's Witness faith, atheists and others.

    So he resigned in the first week of a six-month session at the State Patrol academy in 1998, deciding he could ultimately face expulsion anyway if he refused to take the oath or salute the flag.

    He later sued, claiming religious discrimination. A federal judge in Tacoma summarily dismissed his lawsuit, saying Lawson didn't have enough evidence to take his case to a jury.

    Yesterday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the Tacoma judge. In effect, two appellate judges ruled yesterday that Lawson's resignation wasn't forced, even though to stay in the academy meant he'd have to do things his conscience would not accept.

    Different judges of the same appellate court ruled last month that public-school students could not legally recite the Pledge of Allegiance because of the words "under God," a decision that sparked nationwide controversy.

    Lawson's attorneys say he wanted to stay in the academy, and he even suggested that he could stand silently by as other cadets saluted the flag.

    But they believe that refusal to salute the flag or swear allegiance to the United States is unpopular in a time that flags wave from front porches and patriotism runs high.

    "This climate of the war on terrorism is affecting civil liberties," said Shawn Newman, one of the attorneys. "It's history repeating itself."

    During World War II, students who were Jehovah's Witnesses got in trouble in school when they refused to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. The U.S. Supreme Court ultimately backed the students.

    Courts also accommodate other faiths. Witnesses about to testify, for example, are asked to either "swear or affirm," said Hugh McGavick, Lawson's other attorney.

    His lawyers say they may continue to pursue the case. It took the appeals court eight months to announce a decision, and one judge issued a sharply worded dissent.

    Judge Betty Fletcher wrote in her dissent that the majority opinion defied logic and the law. She said Lawson could establish a case of religious discrimination.

    "This is a case about the fundamental right to religious freedom. It is a story of a conscientious young man who aspires to a career in law enforcement; a young man who is also profoundly religious," Fletcher wrote. "The only barrier to service in the State Patrol is the WSP's failure to accommodate his religion."

    Lawson, a Shelton resident, now works in the construction industry. He could not be reached for comment yesterday.

    A top lawyer with the state said the patrol would have accommodated Lawson. Carol Smith-Merkulov, a senior counsel in the Attorney General's Office, said the patrol has accommodated troopers of varying faiths, including Buddhists and Mormons. She said she didn't know if any troopers are Jehovah's Witnesses.

    She also disputed Lawson's versions of events that a counselor in the academy and a patrol captain told him that they could not accommodate his religious beliefs.

    Law enforcement is an unusual occupation for Jehovah's Witnesses. The faith discourages, though does not prohibit, the carrying of weapons, McGavick said. Lawson joined the academy in July 1998. For two days, he took part in formations and saluted the flag. But he was troubled. He believes his faith forbids him from saluting any state or nation. What's more, his faith allows him to swear allegiance only to God.

    As they are commissioned, troopers swear allegiance to the United States and the state of Washington.

    Judges Thomas Reavley and Richard Tallman acknowledged that Lawson faced a conflict between his religious beliefs and his job.

    But to have enough evidence to go to trial Lawson would have to show that he resigned because conditions at the academy had become so intolerable he had no other choice, they said.

    "Lawson provides no support for the assertion that his right to freely exercise his religion was violated after he voluntarily resigned from the WSP's employ," Tallman wrote in the majority opinion.

    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

    The denomination was founded in Pittsburgh in 1872. Jehovah's Witnesses believe they adhere to the oldest religion on Earth, the worship of the Almighty God revealed in the Bible as Jehovah. They regard civil authority as necessary and obey it "as long as it does not contradict God's law."


    P-I reporter Scott Sunde can be reached at 206-448-8331 or [email protected]

  • confusedjw
    confusedjw
    The faith discourages, though does not prohibit, the carrying of weapons,

    Um. I think they do prohibit it.

  • TD
    TD

    It's strongly discouraged --- Meaning a male is not seen as "exemplary" if he carries a weapon in his line of work.


    This happened in 1983, when all JW males holding such occupations were given 6 months to either find other employement or be removed from any congregational position they held

  • Cassiline
    Cassiline

    Why did he even apply for the job to begin with-- just to have someone to sue? It's like a JW who signs up to be in the Army, but will not take the oath, will carry a weapon and hope he does not have to use it.

    It makes no sense. Of course he may have to pull his weapon and shoot someone someday... I am confused as to why he even thought he could sign up in good conscience as a JW. Sounds like a half in half out JW looking to make a quick buck by suing the government to me.

    Cassi

  • blondie
    blondie

    He could have been:

    Someone studying with JWs and was approaching baptism and was told he had to leave his job if he carried a gun if he wanted to be baptized.

    JWs can work in law enforcement/security as long as they don't have to carry a gun. Many work in the jail/correctional facility where most states don't arm their staff.

    JWs can have jobs that require carrying a gun but will not be given any "privileges" such as being an elder/MS, reading at the meetings, pioneering, etc., etc. So far it is not a DF'ing offense to be a baptized JW and have a job that requires a gun. But these were grandfathered in when the issue came up in the 1980's

    w83 7/15 25 "Seek Peace and Pursue It" ***


    16 It is similar if one of Jehovah?s Witnesses insists on carrying or having firearms for protection against humans, or on learning the martial arts. The spiritual elders should take immediate steps to counsel and help him to remedy the situation. (Micah 4:3) Anyone who thus continues to carry personal arms or otherwise equips himself to become "a smiter" would cease to qualify for special privileges in the congregation .?1 Timothy 3:2, 3.

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    of Arms in Civilian Employment

    17

    If someone has employment that involves carrying a weapon for use against other humans, or if he is required to be trained in the martial arts, such as judo and karate, what should he do? In making his personal decision he must bear in mind that a follower of Jesus is to pursue peace. (Romans 12:17, 18) In view of what is stated at Isaiah 2:4, most of Jehovah?s Witnesses avoid such employment. Even though the employment may be for the purpose of protecting the public (or property) in harmony with Romans 13:4, experience has shown that there is always the danger of incurring bloodguilt by taking life with the weapon, with harm to the individual?s conscience, as well as there being a danger of injury or death to oneself due to retaliation. (Psalm 51:14; compare Numbers 35:11, 12, 22-25.) Certainly it is best to avoid such dangers by selecting employment where they do not arise.

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    During these "last days," many employees are expected to carry a firearm. Bank or security guards, watchmen and policemen may even be required to do so to hold employment. But what of the Christian, who is obligated to "provide for those who are his own"? (1 Timothy 5:8) His Bible-trained viewpoint would be different from that of worldly persons, who feel free to carry such weapons and to use them as they see fit in any dangerous situation that may arise. (Ephesians 5:15-17) He will want to avoid bloodguilt, having in mind Jehovah?s viewpoint on the sanctity of blood. (Genesis 9:6; Psalm 55:23) A mature Christian should try to find unarmed employment. Some Witnesses by talking with their employer have been successful in changing to a job that does not require carrying a weapon.

    19

    As the world becomes increasingly violent we can no longer regard as exemplary a brother who continues in armed employment. He could be allowed six months to make a change. If he does not make a change, he would not be in a position to hold special privileges of service and responsibility in the congregation .?1 Timothy 3:2; Titus 1:5, 6.

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  • undercover
    undercover
    Anyone who thus continues to carry personal arms or otherwise equips himself to become "a smiter" would cease to qualify for special privileges in the congregation . .

    Well, then, shouldn't have the apostles been removed? They carried weapons.

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    My ex best friend who is one of the biggest assholes EVER has MANY weapons. He is obsessed with weapons and guns...maybe I should send an email to a local elder....

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    I was a security guard when I was 18-20 years old. I carried a baton but no gun. It was possible that I could be put in a job site that had a contract that required armed guards, but it didn't come up. The elder's never questioned me about it, one way or another. I guess the elder's interpretation of that part of the JW Talmud varies from congo to congo.

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Well Blondie as you know I work as a corrections officer in a county detention center, I dont think JW's would become corrections officers simply because of the self defense and martial arts training, and another thing corrections officers are required to use force when necessary, but JW's have always been more pacifistic. What do you think? have you known of any "real" JW's who have worked in police or corrections? I would be interested in finding out.

    Dave

  • gitasatsangha
    gitasatsangha

    Junction,

    Yep, I know a guy that was a cop AND a JW before he retired. He was a cop in the NYPD, actually, and lives pretty close to you. Good guy, I miss him.

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