The New Brochure - What are they thinking? (page 3)

Stephanus

Although there was much said in the broshure that I still agree with, the main *problem* I found with it is the teaching that the heavenly kingdom is ALREADY ruling

They've become Amilleniallists??

Wait a minute! On page 15 of the publication at the site Elsewhere posted, it says something about "At great cost to himself, jehovah made provisions for those who would believe in the ranson sacrifice (or something to that end)..." He let his son be killed, he didn't suffer directly.

Yeah, it was a bummer but he knew that in 3 days it would be over and jeebus would be back from the dead. Where is this "great cost to himself"? This sounds suspiciously like trying to make jehovah seem the victim. Could it be this shallow?

Robert

Poztate

And since copy and paste wasn't allowed for the password, the consarned thing had to be typed in.

To enter a password into a prompt box use the keyboard command CTRL V as the paste command is not available to you.

It is the only way to go and that sure was a long password. I would have hated to type it in by hand.

POZ.

Elsewhere

Wait a minute! On page 15 of the publication at the site Elsewhere posted, it says something about "At great cost to himself, jehovah made provisions for those who would believe in the ranson sacrifice (or something to that end)..." He let his son be killed, he didn't suffer directly.
Yeah, it was a bummer but he knew that in 3 days it would be over and jeebus would be back from the dead. Where is this "great cost to himself"? This sounds suspiciously like trying to make jehovah seem the victim. Could it be this shallow?
Robert

Yeah, I've always had a hard time with that too... for this "jehover" deity, killing and resurrecting jesus would be no different than me rebooting my computer. Ohhhh... what a terrible sacrifice.

little witch

I would suggest that the important part of the brochure is to realize that the borg uses no part of accepted christianity to relate members to.

Therefore it is a convoluted and bastardized literature designed to keep members believing that their peculiar brand of religion is unique and relevant.

Note that such nonsense is only relevant to members. "where else would we go"? applies here.

It must be terribly difficult for the largely uneducated heirarchy to crank out interesting topics. Of whom would they borrow from? Only their own rehashed version of truth. Of course it gets repeaditive and confusing.

It is like trying to make macaroni and cheese interesting. I can change the shape of the pasta, or flavors of cheese, but soon it becomes the same ol, same ol. Now imagine that mac and cheese is all I offer to my followers (who are convinced that I am the SOLE PROVIDER of food.

As a follower of my mac and cheese religion, you are obligated to eat only my food (other offerings are maggot infested,AKA worldly and satanic).

You will tire of my fare, you will see the same thing over and over, you will get bored. You will depend on my cuisine to such an extent however, that you will accept the food as usual and deny that other versions are distinct. They are only new light versions of the real mac and cheese.

My theory is that most of us discover steak is tasty, that the maggots are only imaginary. That there is a smorgasboard of grand buffets out there from which we may imbibe.

Sadly, some will continue to choke down that nasty mac and cheese, regardless of the stale taste and boredom. More sadly is that those who choose this particular fare believe that nothing better exists.

stillajwexelder

IMHO -there still seems to be a continuation of the trend of the last few years to " dumb down " not much meat in it - so obviously designed for the ministry - they will say well the public has a low attention span these days - but dubbies are also dumbing down IMHO

Schizm

Yeah, I've always had a hard time with that too... for this "jehover" deity, killing and resurrecting jesus would be no different than me rebooting my computer. Ohhhh... what a terrible sacrifice. --Elsewhere.

That's not an accurate comparison. First of all, you're computer is not a "life". If you turn it off, you haven't taken a "life". For you to compare a piece of cheap plastic to something that posesses "life" is quite dumb. Something else: From the time Jesus was created he was entitled to live forever, unless he did something worthy of death. When he was put to death his "life" ended, even though it was only for a few days. He went out of existence! Even though Jesus knew that God would resurrect him, he prayed that if somehow his death was avoidable that God "let this cup pass" (or something to that effect).

I see nothing scholarly about your reasoning, Elsewhere. Only ridicule. The fact that God could easily bring Jesus back to life doesn't lessen the fact that a "life" was taken. Perhaps if you had a greater appreciation for the principle of "life" you could grasp the point. Would you be willing to allow your own son to be put to death, even if you had the power to bring him back to life? Would you have made no sacrifice at all? Get a "life" man!

Schizm

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City Fan

Just an update on my previous comment about getting the new brochure from my mother.

I was at my parents house last night fully expecting to leave with the brochure. We got talking about who they'd seen at the assembly again. My mother even now has about 6 bible studies and is classed I suppose as one of the 'old-timers'.

She then tells me that all the new publications are rubbish! I got the impression that she feels they are too dumbed-down! Anyway, at least I didn't get the new brochure and I'm now determined to give her some reading material that may at least make her think.

czarofmischief

That's not an accurate comparison. First of all, you're computer is not a "life". If you turn it off, you haven't taken a "life". For you to compare a piece of cheap plastic to something that posesses "life" is quite dumb.

I find it interesting that you would suggest something like that. After all, doesn't the Society repeatedly use the illustration of an unplugged fan to describe how Adam and Eve "ran down" after sinning and "cutting the connection" to the Divine Life Source? While I understand your point, the debate of what constitutes life will go on and on - and analogies that describe effects will have to do. A computer being rebooted is a perfectly apt illustration for the miracle of a resurrection.

Something else: From the time Jesus was created he was entitled to live forever, unless he did something worthy of death. When he was put to death his "life" ended, even though it was only for a few days. He went out of existence! Even though Jesus knew that God would resurrect him, he prayed that if somehow his death was avoidable that God "let this cup pass" (or something to that effect).

What about his moment of doubt in his last moment? Doesn't that constitute a less than perfect record? "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" I can totally forgive him for saying it, but isn't doubt still a sin?

I see nothing scholarly about your reasoning, Elsewhere. Only ridicule. The fact that God could easily bring Jesus back to life doesn't lessen the fact that a "life" was taken. Perhaps if you had a greater appreciation for the principle of "life" you could grasp the point. Would you be willing to allow your own son to be put to death, even if you had the power to bring him back to life? Would you have made no sacrifice at all? Get a "life" man!

Nope. But God, according to your theology, has allowed billions of his children to die, most horribly so, and declines to resurrect all but his favorites. So every parent makes the same sacrifice when they see their children die; and their powerlessness just increases their sacrifice. So God's little booboo when he saw Jesus dangle and die means NOTHING compared to the helpless rage that a human feels when THEIR child dies. So don't try to make me feel sorry for God. I love Him, but He doesn't need my pity.

CZAR

robhic

As kind of an aside and because I obviously have no life, I re-scanned the "Keep on the Watch" publication that Elsewhere posted. It is 32 pages in length, including the front cover, back cover, contents page and a bunch of pictures.

In the remaining text pages, the words "near," "soon," "last days," and all similar words were used specifically over 16+ times. And that's not taking into account other words and phrases meant to imply the "end of the old system" or "last days" is near, soon or whatever. There is a reference on every page and more than once on a few pages. Man, talk about repetitive!

Just thought someone might want to know this vital statistic.

Robert

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