A JW I have been debating with (who is df'd by the way) gave me the go ahead to send to him what I would consider times where the WT has lied or been totally dishonest with the membership, or just in general. Does anyone have any clear cut quotes from the WT that are obviously deceptive? I already sent him a lot of info about 1874/1914, and also about some other stuff. He is laughing it all off so far. I need a knockout punch! Blondie, anyone?!?! I need help!!
Watchtower Lies
by Unclepenn1 18 Replies latest jw friends
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PurpleV
Go here http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
This site is made up of quotes from WT literature ONLY and has several wonderful examples of how they flip flop and change their doctrines.
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Unclepenn1
Thanks Purple. I have been there quite a bit. I need something that I am unable to find there, at least from what I have read. Anything clear, to the point, obvious?
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RR
The Society likes to paint the Bible Students as guilty of creature worship. That is worshipping none other then Charles Taze Russell. Notice this statement found in the book; Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose:
The insistence that Russell had been "that Servant" led many to regard Russell in what amounted actually to creature worship. They believed that all the truth God had seen fit to reveal to his people had been revealed to Russell, and now nothing more could be brought forth because "that servant" was dead." [1959, pg 69]
As recent as 1988, in the book Revelation - It's Grand Climax at Hand! The Watchtower makes this claim:
"The John class, however, emerged from the tumultuous days of the first world war with a love for Jehovah and for the truth that impelled them to serve him with flaming zeal. They resisted those who tried to introduce sectarianism through practically idolizing the first president of the Watch Tower Society, Charles T. Russell, following his death in 1916." [p. 35, 36]
Who were "those" the "John class" tried to resist? And how did "those" try "to introduce sectarianism"? The answer lies in the book; God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in 1973. It had this to say concerning the issue of idolizing C.T. Russell:
"This view was prominently featured in the book published in July of 1917 by the People's Pulpit Association of Brooklyn, New York. This book was called "The Finished Mystery" and furnished a commentary of the Bible books of Revelation and Ezekiel and The Songs of Solomon. On its Publishers page the book was called the "Posthumous Works of Pastor Russell." Such a book and religious attitude tended to establish a religious sect centered around a man" [pg 347]
Who or what was the People's Pulpit Association? The answer again can be found in the pages of the book Qualified to Be Ministers published in 1967, by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. It had this to say about the Association:
"Such a corporation came into legal existence February 23, 1909, and was named People's Pulpit Association. Thirty years later, in 1939, the name was changed to its present one, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc." [pg. 309]
The Society apparently didn't count on people knowing who or what is the People's Pulpit Association.
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Gerard
*** The Golden Age 1929, p. 436 "Some Unusual Sources and Results of Aluminum Poisoning"***
[This poison must be excreted from the body by bowels or kidneys; and thus, in cleaning up the body, you find it last in anus and urethra and sometimes in prostate. If the bowels act fully and completely and from two to three times a day, as they should, then this poison can pass through the body without much of bad effects. But if the bowels are sluggish, then you get a loading up and damming back, until every organ in the body is poisoned and it finally breaks out though ulcers, etc. An ulcer is nothing but the effort of the body to throw off chronic excess poison at that point. That same thing is true in cancer. Here you always find, according to these tests, natrium muriate and aluminum nitrate being excreted, and potassium nitrate present.
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?from eighty to ninety percent of all my patients, both in acute and chronic cases, show aluminum poisoning in one or more places in the body. Thus, after syphilis ? [aluminum] is the most common source of toxemia?
*** Watchtower Jan 15 1912 (reprints p.4963) ***
It is known that only about three out of every one hundred operated upon for appendicitis really have a diseased appendix needing removal. We give below a simple cure for appendicitis symptoms. The pain in the appendix region is caused by the biting of worms near the junction of the transverse colon with the small intestines, low down on the right side of the abdomen. This remedy is recommended also for typhoid fever, which is also a worm disease. The medicine is Santonine dose, 3 grains, an hour before breakfast; repeated for four mornings, or until all the symptoms disappear. Then one dose per month for three months to eradicate all germs. This recipe is of INCALCULABLE VALUE. Not only will it save the surgeon's and hospital fees of perhaps $200, but it saves weeks of ill health, inconvenience, convalescence and loss of salary.
***Watchtower 1913 July 1 p. 200 A Cure for Surface Cancer ***
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... We have recently learned of a very effective and simple remedy for cancers which show themselves on the surface of the body. We are informed that a physician, after testing this remedy, paid $1000 for the information, and that he has established a Cancer Hospital which is doing good work. The recipe has come to us free and we are willing to communicate the formula, but only to those who are troubled with surface cancers and who will write to us directly, stating particulars. No fee will be charge, but in order to protect the sufferers, we require a promise that they will not sell the formula to others, nor receive pay for the use of it, nor communicate the formula to anybody. Any one known to be a sufferer can be informed of the terms on which the prescription is obtainable through us.
*** Thy Kingdom Come (SIS vol III) 1891 (1903 edition) p. 327 ***
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?Alcyone, the central one of the renowned Pleiadic stars? Alcyone, then, as far as science has been able to perceive, would seem to be 'the midnight throne' in which the whole system of gravitation has its seat, and from which the Almighty governs his universe?
[Emphasis Added]
*** Reconciliation 1928 p.14 ***
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The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleides? It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah? The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others? But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God?
Regarding the The Great Pyramid of Giza:
*** Thy Kingdom Come (© 1891) (1904 edition ? Millennial Dawn, vol 3) p.342 ***
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So, then, if we measure backward down the "First Ascending Passage" to its junction with the "Entrance Passage," we shall have a fixed date to mark upon the downward passage. This measure is 1542 inches, and indicates the year B.C. 1542, as the date at that point. Then measuring down the "Entrance Passage" from that point, to find the distance to the entrance of the "Pit," representing the great trouble and destruction with which this age is to close, when evil will be overthrown from power, we find it to be 3416 inches, symbolizing 3416 years from the above date, B.C. 1542. This calculation shows AD. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1874 years AD. equals 3416 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1874 was the chronological beginning of the time of trouble such as was not since there was a nation -- no, nor ever shall be afterward. And thus it will be noted that this "Witness" fully corroborates the Bible testimony on this subject...
[Emphasis Added]
*** Thy Kingdom Come (copyright 1891) (1910 edition -- Studies In The Scriptures, vol. 3) p.342 ***
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So, then, if we measure backward down the "First Ascending Passage" to its junction with the "Entrance Passage," we shall have a fixed date to mark upon the downward passage. This measure is 1542 inches, and indicates the year B.C. 1542, as the date at that point. Then measuring down the "Entrance Passage" from that point, to find the distance to the entrance of the "Pit," representing the great trouble and destruction with which this age is to close, when evil will be overthrown from power, we find it to be 3457 inches, symbolizing 3457 years from the above date, B.C. 1542. This calculation shows AD. 1915 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1915 years AD. equals 3457 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble such as was not since there was a nation -- no, nor ever shall be afterward. And thus it will be noted that this "Witness" fully corroborates the' Bible testimony on this subject...
*** The Golden Age, Jan. 1, 1923 p.214 ***
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But the dog-rabies-vaccine imposition is the latest.... Rabies! When it has been shown conclusively that there is no such thing as rabies
*** The Golden Age, Jan. 16, 1924, p. 250 ***
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It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs.
*** The Golden Age, Nov. 28, 1928, p. 133 ***
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All human ailments have their start in the intestines.
*** Watchtower 1967 November 15 pp.702-4 Questions from Readers ***
Questions from Readers
? Is there any Scriptural objection to donating one's body for use in medical research or to accepting organs for transplant from such a source??W. L., U.S.A.
When men of science conclude that this normal process will no longer work and they suggest removing the organ and replacing it directly with an organ from another human, this is simply a shortcut. Those who submit to such operations are thus living off the flesh of another human. That is cannibalistic. However, in allowing man to eat animal flesh Jehovah God did not grant permission for humans to try to perpetuate their lives by cannibalistically taking into their bodies human flesh, whether chewed or in the form of whole organs or body parts taken from others....
*** Awake! 1968 June 8 p.21 ***
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There are those, such as the Christian witnesses of Jehovah, who consider all transplants between humans as cannibalism...
*** The Truth Shall Make You Free (1943) pp.284-285, ch.XXii "THE TIME OF THE END" ***
[Complete book (digital version) available on WT Bookshelf CD]
The superficial appearance of our literal earth was greatly changed by the addition of the flood from the fallen water canopy, but upon this same earth another visible organization of ungodly men was built up. It dates particularly from the time of the founding of Nimrod's kingdom at Babel, or Babylon, and it has spread over all the earth. This human, visible organization of religion, commerce and politics makes up the symbolic "earth", and men think it will endure just as long as our earthly planet does. Our planet earth is surrounded by an invisible air mass, which is the "firmament" or expanse of atmosphere extending up about one hundred miles higher than man. In like manner the symbolic "earth" has invisible spirit powers in control of it, namely, the demons under Satan the Devil. This organization of wicked spirits with Satan as their prince is both higher than man and unseen to him. Hence that demon organization constitutes the "heavens" with relation to man's present earthly organization. Man on earth can no more get rid of these demonic "heavens" than man can by airplane or rockets or other means get up above the air envelope which is about our earthly globe and in which man breathes. God alone can and will deliver humankind from such demon powers of control.
*** The Golden Age 1923 January 3rd, p.214 ***
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The public is not generally aware of how large an industry is the manufacture of serums, anti-toxins and vaccines, or that big business controls the whole industry...
...the boards of health endeavor to start an epidemic of smallpox, diphtheria, or typhoid that they may reap a golden harvest by inoculating an unthinking community for the very purpose of disposing of this manufactured filth...
Vaccination summed up is the most unnatural, unhygienic, barbaric, filthy, abhorrent, and most dangerous system of infection known. Its vile poison taints, corrupts, and pollutes the blood of the healthy, resulting in ulcers, syphilis, scrofula, erysipelas, tuberculosis, cancer, tetanus, insanity, and death.
*** The Golden Age, Jan 16, 1924 ***
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It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs.
*** The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293 The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural) ***
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Quite likely there is some connection between the violation of human blood [vaccines] and the spread of demonism...
Drums Please!
and #1, directly from the United Nations web site: -
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RR
The Society likes to paint the Bible Students as guilty of creature worship. That is worshipping none other then Charles Taze Russell. Notice this statement found in the book; Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose:
The insistence that Russell had been "that Servant" led many to regard Russell in what amounted actually to creature worship. They believed that all the truth God had seen fit to reveal to his people had been revealed to Russell, and now nothing more could be brought forth because "that servant" was dead." [1959, pg 69]
As recent as 1988, in the book Revelation - It's Grand Climax at Hand! The Watchtower makes this claim:
"The John class, however, emerged from the tumultuous days of the first world war with a love for Jehovah and for the truth that impelled them to serve him with flaming zeal. They resisted those who tried to introduce sectarianism through practically idolizing the first president of the Watch Tower Society, Charles T. Russell, following his death in 1916." [p. 35, 36]
Who were "those" the "John class" tried to resist? And how did "those" try "to introduce sectarianism"? The answer lies in the book; God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in 1973. It had this to say concerning the issue of idolizing C.T. Russell:
"This view was prominently featured in the book published in July of 1917 by the People's Pulpit Association of Brooklyn, New York. This book was called "The Finished Mystery" and furnished a commentary of the Bible books of Revelation and Ezekiel and The Songs of Solomon. On its Publishers page the book was called the "Posthumous Works of Pastor Russell." Such a book and religious attitude tended to establish a religious sect centered around a man" [pg 347]
Who or what was the People's Pulpit Association? The answer again can be found in the pages of the book Qualified to Be Ministers published in 1967, by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. It had this to say about the Association:
"Such a corporation came into legal existence February 23, 1909, and was named People's Pulpit Association. Thirty years later, in 1939, the name was changed to its present one, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc." [pg. 309]
The Society apparently didn't count on people knowing who or what is the People's Pulpit Association.
For sure this sets the reader up to make a conclusion on their own that may not be accurate. Where is the lie? I don't see it.
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Bubbamar
I found a statement written by "God's channel of communication" in the "You can live forever in paradise on earth" book, c.1982, page 154, par. 2... that actually says.....
quote " Also, the BIBLE said that all these things would happen upon the generation that was alive in 1914." end quote.
This is my favorite. This is from Hubert on a recent thread. I don't know how to copy the words and the link. Of course, the BIBLE does NOT say that!
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Maverick
Isn't WatchTower lies redundant? Or is it an oxymoron? Mav
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mineralogist
My favorite from newer times is this:
*** w89 1/1 p. 12 "The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them" ***
How thrilling that must have been for Paul and Barnabas-sailing to their first foreign assignment! The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.
(bound volume says: He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day.)but you need to get a single magazine for the english version. In german (other languages?) it is even on the WT-CD!
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Room 215
Of course, much depends on one's definition of lying, but misrepresentations and deceptive wording are more the rule for the boys in Brooklyn. Examples are what they taught about 1914's significance pre-1914, the misleading statements relative to the issues involving their not being listed as a religion in Mexico, their statements about what occasioned the change to a donation arrangement for literature distribution, etc.
and #1, directly from the United Nations web site: