2000 US Election - was it bogus?

by talesin 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • Double Edge
    Double Edge
    I had just finished reading Stupid White Men by Michael Moore and in that book he lays out how the conspiracy for Bush to win Florida actually started several months before the election. It's a good read and I highly recommend the book.

    Bikerchic: Following is another great read. You should ALWAYS get both points of view.

    Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man by David T. Hardy , Jason Clarke

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  • talesin
    talesin

    Thanks for the ref, DE, I will check it out, and read the book.

    By the way, did you read "Stupid White Men" by MM?

    Just curious, as I will read the book 'against him', have you read his book?

    hahaha, it's so nice when we can discuss things in a civil manner. :)

  • Mac
    Mac

    Tale typed...

    I'm still confused, but whatever!

    Damnit, Tale...don't make me emerse myself in a political thread....you know I hate that!!!!!....Grrrrrrr!!!

    K.......

    Those gay looking gents in the white wigs rejected the idea of a popular election not because they doubted the ability of the major populace as a whole to be capable of making an educated choice of leadership...but, rather because they felt that our Prez's would always be chosen by the most populous states without regard for political concern or sentiment in states much smaller.

    These framers ( in there spare time while not matting pictures)...tried to create a system that would protect those inhabiting the smaller states by rejecting government by simple majority...their reasoning being that throughout history such direct vote was usually a machination of dictatorships rather than democracies. Bottom line is that these guys were pretty much up to speed on the wisdom and lessons drawn from early history.

    They based this indirect election of leaders on the Roman Cenurial Assembly (pre-Shasta days and you'd be hard pressed to find a decent hoagie as well as these guys liked direct hand to grease contact without the prophylactic benefit of a nice hunk of sliced french bread) in which the men of Rome were divided up into groups of 100 (centuries) and allowed to cast votes for or against proposed actions introduced by the Senate. In like manner..the states serve as centurial representatives in the electoral system and the number of votes are determined by the number of representatives in each respective states congressional delegation.

    To win the presidency, the candidates (or "can of dates" as some interns care to endearingly refer to them) have to get a majority of these electoral votes... 2 for the given Senators + whatever number of chosen U.S. Representatives each state has. This system in paractice, bestows a bit more power to racial minorities (bet you like this one Tale) who tend to live in the larger cities of the biggest states because their votes are important in tipping all the electoral votes in that state, thus making it imperative to candidates of either party to work for their votes.

    One of the things that could possibly occur in the case of a purely popular vote... especialy in predominantly one party states (which I find particularly boring and would not live in...being a guy that likes 2 or even three parties in a given night) is that it could encourage a state or states to alter their voting requirements .An example being voting age could actually be lowered to dramatically increase the numbers for a particular candidate or party thus, allowing that state to affect in a very big way the national vote.

    Personally I think these old codgers were damn near genius in their foresight..providing a system that promotes an over all cohesiveness of these "united states' by demanding a distribution of popular support to duly elected individuals while enhancing the importance of minority interests thus, stabilizing the country by encouraging more than a one party system and offering stability and protection and representation for all.

    I'm gonna just go back to fluffing now...k?

    mac, if it weren't for the inbreeding would like to have been king class

    *that wsn't a typo...i actually like to say paraaaaaaaactice!

    *wsn't, on the other hand was very much a typo

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim
    I'm shocked that I said anything worth repeating, LOL I had just finished reading Stupid White Men by Michael Moore and in that book he lays out how the conspiracy for Bush to win Florida actually started several months before the election. It's a good read and I highly recommend the book. I had actually gone today to buy my own copy as I borrowed my daughters and left it at her house. I'm going to order one off Amazon tonight.

    Bikerchic,

    Moore is a liar, plain and simple...there was no freakin conspiracy. Quit drinking the koolaid.

    TALES,

    The Supreme Court did NOT decide the election, the electoral college did. The courts should have NEVER been involved. The democrats tried to change the rules mid election...which is QUITE illegal.

    Frannie,

    What EVIDENCE do you have that the election was fixed other than the fact that GORE LOST FLORIDA?

  • L_A_Big_Dawg
    L_A_Big_Dawg

    Yeru,

    Don't feed the liberals facts. It's like teaching pigs to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pigs.

    Talesin,

    The one thing that the framers of The U.S. Constitution were afraid of more than anything was tyranny. They had seen onough of it under German George (George the 3rd), and wanted more than anything to avoid it in the U.S. government. Balance is the one theme that strikes me in reading the U.S. Constitution. Balance between the 3 branches of the government. The purpose of the electoral college was and is to balance the urban and rural areas of the nation.

    LABD

  • CoonDawg
    CoonDawg

    If Jeb and his secretary of state hadn't illegally purged their voter registration rolls and disenfranchised upwards of a million black voters, this wouldn't even be an issue. They already tried again for this election, only the scandal became so public that Jeb & his buddies are having to toss the original "felon's" list and start from scratch. In the state of Florida, there were tens of thousands of black "felons" listed as inelligible to vote, yet only 50....that's right...i said FIFTY latinos listed. This is significant because traditionaly, latinos in Florida tend to vote Republican, whereas the black voters tend to vote Democratic.

    Sorry, I've never read Michael Moor's books or seen his movie. I just look at available facts from multiple media outlets and weigh them for myself. To me, it appears as if election shennanigans took place in 2000 and they are being implemented again. The director of Diebold, the #1 manufacturer of electronic voting machines is a Bush Pioneer, meaning he's a top fundraiser, and he publicly stated that he would ensure Bush's victory in Ohio...a swing state this time around where Bush seems to have lost tons of ground. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....

    Ern

  • CoonDawg
    CoonDawg

    Ern

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