by JanH 31 Replies latest jw friends
uncle_onion wrote:
> Can anyone recomend any books that deal with the
> "prophecies" and whether they fulfilled or not?
Prophecies: Imaginary and Unfulfilled
http://infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/prophecy.html
The Fabulous Prophecies Of The Messiah
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_lippard/fabulous-prophecies.html
Prophecies That Came True [Not!]
http://geocities.com/osarsif/gm9.htm
uncle_onion wrote:
Can anyone recomend any books that deal with the
"prophecies" and whether they fulfilled or not?
Callahan, Tim. 1997. Bible Prophecy - Failure or Fulfillment?, Millennium Press, Altadena CA, USA.
Uncle_Onion,
For another perspective, I'd check out books
written on the Historical Jesus. How about
JP Meiers, "Marginal Jew", which is probably
at the library.
Quester
Janh, Is this all you have to think about?
LOL, finding out about Matthew 21:1-7 was probably the first time I realised the Bible was seriously flawed. Not only was Matthew not an eye-witness to this event; he seriously screwed up the translation from Hebrew to Greek, and it is now believed that he wasn’t a Jew, but someone living in Antioch in Syria.
A partial quote from ‘What are they saying about Matthew?’ (Paulist Press 1996):
Meier sees another Matthean "error" in the evangelist's excessively literal reading of Zechariah 9:9 in the account of Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem. In Matthew's rendition of the scene (again in contrast to the parallel in Mark 11:1-10), the disciples are instructed to prepare "an ass ...and a colt" and Jesus sits on both (cf. Mt 21:7)! Commentators have traditionally explained this as Matthew's attempt to see a literal fulfillment of Zechariah 9:1) in this event of Jesus' life. Meier, however, thinks this also shows that Matthew misunderstands the Hebrew parallelism of 'Zechariah 9:9 where the reference to a donkey and a colt is not to two animals, but to one. Meier contends that only someone unfamiliar with Hebrew poetic forms, and, therefore, not a Jew, would be this literal on such an insignificant detail. Therefore, Matthew was not a Jew who became a ('Christian but a Gentile Christian who became well versed in the Hebrew scriptures and things Jewish.
Great thread! Wish of these original posters were still around and posting. Thanks for bumping this TH.
Interesting thread, and an interesting quote about "Matthew" maybe not being a Jew. Another theory put forward by Enoch Powell , the now dead British politician famous for his "Rivers of Blood" speech, but also a Greek Scholar, is that "Matthew" was produced by a Committee, not a single writer.
Powell visualises them meeting in a "smoke filled room" in Jerusalem, some time in the 80's C.E, and composing the work to further the appeal of the Cult of Jesus, both to Jews and Gentiles.
It is evident that the writer/writers go through some really difficult hoops to try to make what they see as messianic prophcies in the O.T appear to have been played out in what is in fact their fictional account of the life of Jesus.
Yes...and Matthwer contains the noncence about the the dead phrophets raising from there graves upon Jesus death.
This is a splendid thread.
I'd be interested to expand on it and ask the question: What prophecies of Jesus do we see in modern times? (Evidence needed of course).
JanH,
The Bible is a religious book. It is not a history book, nor a science book. Though it has elements of both elementary science and history it is first and foremost a religious book. It is a book written in the language of religion and until we accept that we will not be able to understand it.
Understanding why Matthew applied Hosea 11:1 to Christ requires that we step back and take a careful look at the history of Israel and why they went into Egypt and then left Egypt and what their final destination was; the promised land. Then compare that to Christ's life.
