J.w at my door

The rock

Hello folks,

One day a lady came to my door she did not say she was a Jehovah Witness and she was all on her own.

She seemed very nice and started talking about having accurate knowledge and such like. I didn't have my bible at the moment. I said to her yes but the verse below that says that this Knowledge is found in Jesus I asked her what Immanuel meant and she looked at me very strangly as if I had two heads. She didn't seem to know and seemed a bit puzzled looking.

She started on about God's name being Jehovah. I said to her that was quite right as a Catholic monk translated it wrong. He put YWAH and Adonai together and come up with Jehovah.

She went on about good works then. Does anyone know what she meant by that?What good works to Jw's do?

Good works don't save us.. All our good works are like dirty rags in God's sight.

She seemed to think I had some bible knowledge and congralutated me on it for some strange reason.

She shook my hand and said maybe we could speak again some other time about the Bible. She told me her name and left sadly she didn't come back. I wonder why did I say something wrong?

Lots of love

Take care

kls

I tried that Jehovah interpretation on my jw husband and all he said was we don't know Jesus real name either and that it does not really matter what they are called , it still means the same ,GOD.

simplesally

Most of them don't make their return visits!

Nosferatu

he said was we don't know Jesus real name either and that it does not really matter what they are called

So, instead of calling them Jehovah and Jesus, I can call them Fartbag and Scrotum and it won't make any difference?

kls

Yes Nosf, it makes no difference,,,,,,LOL

The rock

Hello.

Jesus is translated correctly though. This is from the Jewish roots off faith website.

Messianic Ministry sharing Yeshua the Jewish Messiah in Central Pennsylvania The Messianic Hebrew-Christian Fellowship Inc.

YESHUA IN THE TENACH The name JESUS in the Old Testament
by Arthur E. Glass
In speaking with my Jewish brethren for the past many years in Canada, the United States, Argentina, and Uruguay, I had one great difficulty and it was this: my Jewish people would always fling at me this challenging question: "If Jesus is our Messiah and the whole Old Testament is about Him, how come His name is never mentioned in it even once?"

I could never answer it satisfactorily to their way of thinking, and I admit I often wondered why His name was not actually written in the Old Bible. O yes, I could show them His divine titles in Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; Jeremiah 28:5,6, etc., and even the word MESSIAH (Christ) in several places; but the Hebrew name that would be equal to Jesus, that I could not show-until one day the Holy Spirit opened my eyes, and I just shouted. There was the very NAME Jesus found in the Old Testament about 100 times all the way from GENESIS to HABAKKUK! Yes, the very word-the very NAME that the angel Gabriel used in Luke 1:31 when he told Mary about the Son she was to have.

"Where do we find that NAME?" you ask. Here it is, beloved: Every time the Old Testament uses the word SALVATION (especially with the Hebrew suffix meaning "my", "thy," or "his"), with very few exceptions (when the word is impersonal), it is the very identical and absolutely same word YESHUA (Jesus) used in Matthew 1:21. Let us remember that the angel who spoke to Mary and the angel who spoke to Joseph in his dream did not speak in English, Latin or Greek, but in Hebrew; and neither was Mary nor Joseph slow to grasp the meaning and significance of the NAME of this divine Son and its relation to His character and His work of salvation. For in the Old Testament all great characters were given names with a specific and significant meaning.

For example in Genesis 5:29 Lamechcalled his son "Comfort (Noah), saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands." In Genesis 10:25, Eber calls his first-born son "Division (Peleg); for in his days the earth was divided." The same is true of Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob (changed to Israel-God's Prince), and all of Jacob's sons (see Genesis chapters 29-32). In Exodus 2:10 Pharaoh's daughter called the baby rescued from the Nile "Drawn-Forth (Moses); and she said, Because I drew him out of the water." And so we can go on and on to show the deep significance of Hebrew names.

Now then, when the angel spoke to Joseph, husband of Mary and the mother of our Lord, this is what he really said and what Joseph actually understood: "And she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call His name Yeshua (SALVATION) for he shall salvage (or save) His people from their sins." This text was so forcibly brought home to my soul soon after I was converted over 24 years ago, that I saw the whole plan of the Old Testament in that one ineffable and blessed NAME.

So let us proceed to show clearly the Hebrew name YESHUA (Greek, Iesus: English, Jesus) in the Old Testament.

When the great Patriarch Jacob was ready to depart from this world, he by the Holy Spirit was blessing his sons and prophetically foretelling their future experiences in those blessings. In verse 18 of Genesis 49 he exclaims, "I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord!" What he really did say and mean was, "To thy YESHUA (Jesus) I am looking, O Lord"; or, "In thy YESHUA (Jesus) I am hoping (trusting), Lord!" That makes much better sense.

Of course, YESHUA (Jesus) was the One in Whom Jacob was trusting to carry him over safely the chilly waters of the river of death. Jacob was a saved man, and did not wait until his dying moments to start trusting in the Lord. He just reminded God that he was trusting in His YESHUA (Jesus-Salvation), and was at the same time comforting his own soul.

In Psalm 9:14 David bursts forth: "I will rejoice in thy salvation!" What he actually did say and mean was, "I will rejoice in (with) thy YESHUA (Jesus)."

In Psalm 91:14-16 God says, "because he delighted in me I will deliver him: I will set him on high (raise him above circumstances), because he hath known my name. He shall call me, and I will answer him; I am with him in affliction; I will succor him and honor him. With length of days (eternal life) will I satisfy him, and I will cause him to look upon my YESHUA (Jesus-Salvation)." Of course. That promise is realized in Revelation 22:3,4: "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him; and they shall see HIS face."

In Isaiah 12:2,3 we have something wonderful. Here SALVATION is mentioned three times. The reader will be much blessed by reading these glorious verses in his Bible but let me give them as they actually read in the original Hebrew with Jesus as the embodiment and personification of the word SALVATION: "Behold, mighty (or, God the mighty One) is my YESHUA (Jesus-in his pre-incarnation and eternal existence); I will trust and not be afraid; for JAH-JAHOVAH is my Strength and my Song; He also is become my YESHUA (Jesus "and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us"(John 1:14)-Jesus incarnate). Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of YESHUA (Jesus crucified-waters of salvation flowing forth from Calvary)."

Something very interesting occurred one spring in St. Louis. I was visiting in the home of our friends, Mr. and Mrs. Charles Siegelman, and another Jewish man was present there. He claimed Jewish orthodoxy for his creed. Of course the conversation centered around Him Who is the Center of all things-Jesus. This good Jewish brother opposed the claims of Christ in the Old Testament verbally, and in a friendly thought, was to fling at me and at all of us there the well-known challenge: "You can't find the name 'Jesus' in the Old Testament;" and this he did.

I did not answer him directly, but asked him to translate for us from my Hebrew Bible Isaiah 62:11. Being a Hebrew scholar, he did so with utmost ease, rapidity and correctness; and here is what and how he translated that text verbatim: "Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy YESHUA (Jesus) cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him" Just then he crimsoned as he realized what he had done and how he had played into my hands, and just fairly screamed out "No! No! You made me read it 'thy YESHUA' (Jesus), Mr. Glass! You tricked me!" I said, "No; I did not trick you; I just had you read the Word of God for yourself. Can't you see that here SALVATION is a Person and not a thing or an event? 'He comes; HIS reward is with HIM, and His work before Him.'" Then he rushed at his own Old Testament, talking away frantically, saying, "I'm sure mine is different from yours." And when he fount the passage, he just dropped like a deflated balloon: his Old Testament was of course identically the same. All he could use as an escape from admitting defeat was to deny the divine inspiration of the Book of Isaiah.

Then skipping on to Habakkuk, we have the greatest demonstration of the NAME "Jesus" in the Old Testament; for here we have both the name as well as the title of the Savior. In 3:13 we read literally from the original Hebrew: "Thou wentest forth with the YESHA (variant of Yeshua-Jesus) of (or for) thy people; with YESHUA thy MESSIAH (thine Anointed One: i.e., with Jesus thy Christ); thou woundest the head of the house of the wicked one (Satan)." Here you have it! The very NAME given to our Lord in the New Testament-JESUS CHRIST! So don't let anyone-Jew or Gentile- tell you that the Name JESUS is not found in the Old Testament.

And so when the aged Simeon came to the Temple, led there by the Holy Ghost, and took the baby Jesus in his arms, he said, "Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word; for mine eyes have seen thy YESHUA (Jesus)." Luke 2:29-30. Certainly! Not only did his eyes see God's SALVATION - God's YESHUA (Jesus) - but he felt Him and touched Him, as His believing heart throbbed with joy and assurance and as he felt the throb of the loving heart of God as it throbbed in the heart of the holy infant Jesus.
"And thou shalt call His name SALVATION (YESHUA - Jesus);
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kls

Thank's Rock ,i have never seen this befora and i did not know Jesus real name . Maybe you should send this to the Watchtower so ,they could say " LOOK WE HAVE NEW LIGHT ON JESUS NAME"

Mutz

Nosferatu: I think you'll find it's Fartbjag and Scratchum according to the Thingdom Interlarfatyer.......

Gopher

She went on about good works then. Does anyone know what she meant by that?What good works to Jw's do?

Perhaps she was trying to allude to their witnessing work. They feel it's the most important work being done on earth right now, and that people are aligning themselves for or against God's Kingdom by their response to Jehovah's Witnesses.

Certainly she knows that "good works" alone do not distinguish true Christians, but according to the Bible faith does. Yet JW's use proof texts to show you need a combo-platter of "faith" AND "works" in order to please God.

So since faith isn't enough, perhaps that's why she talked about good works. Because JW's sometimes use that idea of "good works" to try to differentiate themselves from other religions, some get the impression that they're trying to work their way to salvation. But while that's not the official view point of JW's, they do teach that without good works one cannot be saved.

However JW's do not tend to orphans, build hospitals, or do other traditional charitable works. So by "good works" they do not mean that. They view such as hollow when compared to their all important ministry for salvation.

Their way of helping you is by giving you literature or offering Bible studies. If you have other problems, and you're not one of them, they will not "waste" time helping you unless you display a tremendous "interest" in their message.

The rock

Hi Jedi, Thank's Rock ,i have never seen this befora and i did not know Jesus real name . Maybe you should send this to the Watchtower so ,they could say " LOOK WE HAVE NEW LIGHT ON JESUS NAME"

I doubt if they would listen to me. I seem to be a thorn in their side. One Jw told me I had an unhealthy obession about there faith lol. However they joined them not me. So I wonder what that makes them lol.

Matthew does gives us also hints about Jesus name the following verse is taken from Matthew 1v 21 And she will bring forth a Son and you shall call His name Jesus for He will save His people from their sins.

Footnote in my bible says The name Jesus means '' Yahwah Is Salvation.''

Another name '' Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,'' which is translated,'' God with us.''

in Matthew 21v 9 ''Hosanne to the Son of David!

Hosanne means '' Save now''

lots off love

Take care

J.w at my door

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