Legal Reason Why Elders Are So Corrupt

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Many of you are aware of the Society's ORAL instructions regarding the mailed forms for disfellowshipping.

In Elder's school, these instructions are given ORALLY while the audience is told to write them in their "Pay Attention"

books ( Elder handbook). Basically, don't say anything that links them to df'ing someone.

It may be that the Society is seeking to distance themselves from the actions of local elders - or simply using that as

an excuse. At any rate, many of you keep trying to find 'loopholes' or contradictions in printed Watchtower policies in regard

to Judicial matters. This appears to be completely futile, as it seems that in recent years the Society lets local elders

get away with nearly anything, especially if they can keep it from most of the congregation. Correct me if your recent experience

is different but there are no rules anymore about who you can disfellowship and why. In addition, elders can commit fraud,

theft, adultery and lie their a$$es off and suffer no consequences as long as the other 'good old boys' agree. To the

outside world, they likely offer a 'well, what can we do?' response - that is, of course, at variance with the facts, as many

of us have directly experienced. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Beyond that, they might not care anymore as the business side of this cult assumes supremacy over the pretense

of being a spiritual paradise.

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kls

I agree Elders are treated as Supreme but as as the Pedophiles ,the JWs will wait on Jehovah to weed out the bad and until then it is anyones game.

JT

"In addition, elders can commit fraud, theft, adultery and lie their a$$es off and suffer no consequences as long as the other 'good old boys' agree"

this is a loaded statement for the good ole boy network can hide alot of things, but that would be the Key the "good old boy network"-

in some congo the network is tight and in others the elders only tolerate each other and if one falls short others are more than glad to turn them in,

i know years ago the elders were truly unified, even if it was something wrong, one of the major issues that the Service dept is dealing with is elder bodies that fight and bicker, so it all depends, for some congo the elder can work nights and still hold on to his title

yet in other areas a PO will be turned in by a fellow elder who wants his job, and it is cool how they do it- for example:

Brother "Want2b PO" says:

bro co, i wanted to speak to you about bro po , he is missing lots of meentings and unfortunate, the friends are starting to talk ( of course no one is talking, but it sounds good) you see i am "Concerned" that it may impact the congo view of the body, in that if one of us miss meeting its ok but not for the friends

CO: yes i see your concern bro- well this is something i will bring up at the elders meetings

elder meeting- on the agenda,

Point #1. meeting attendance

co says , bro it has come to my attention that "Many" of the friends are expressing concerned about atten, of the elders and how it looks and impacts OUR FREEDOM of speech on the platform-

so bro i think it may be neccesary to consider setting a fine example-

bro po - raises his hands, well i guess it must be me, i just took this new "Mangament" postion at work and it has required a "Little" over time

CO says: well bro that is a personal choice-- but the body of elders must consider the congo and i think all agree including you that the congo should come first, DO YOU NOT-

po __ YES BRO CO I DO

CO: SO who do you think should serve as PO then? I think Bro Want2b is setting a fine example , out in service, regu at meetings and well respected, HOW DO YOU BRO FEEL _( NOW they all know they will not get anymore assembly parts if they select another_ smile)

the other elders all chide in "YES BRO want2be PO is a good man- and they vote him in

so that good old boy network can cut both ways esp if you have a split on the body and that is a big problem where elders VOTE IN BLOCKS

7 ELDERS voting 3 to 4 on all issues, is what the society is facing now

just my 2

Undaunted Danny

Watchtower sleaze has a name it's called."AOP" Approved Operating Procedure.

They will cop-a-plea it was aop...

Ahh yes,every slimeball JW elder will grow old and die! [unsaved?]

Have you had your stroke yet?

Contemplate your mortal rotting corpse to come..

metatron

JT, you really grab the essence of elder's meetings and the manipulation that goes on therein!

I think the only standard that C.O.'s use is "whatever I can get away with, that no one will call the Society about".

The only other limiting factor is the three year visit policy - and , yes, some elders DO count visits - as in, "two more visits

and we get rid of this jerk"

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JT

JT, you really grab the essence of elder's meetings and the manipulation that goes on therein!

## you know --looking back i can hardly beleive i was knee deep up in such inner workings of the org-

we had a very unusual congo, in that we had 5 former bethelites, one was the city overseer, he was a former missionary,former branch committe member and is STILL A VOTING MEMBER-

we tried to delete this guy along with the CO and DO signing off on his deletion letter, he flew to NY meet with the boys in service and in 2 weeks we got a rejection letter

i recall getting on a 3 way with the CO DO over at the PO house and the DO told us that Service has never refused a recoommendation for deltion in the 33yrs he has been on the road-

so it was a POWER PLAY OF POLITICS AT ITS BEST

I think the only standard that C.O.'s use is "whatever I can get away with, that no one will call the Society about".

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excellent point, this is one reason why i have always had high respect for white bro, for they would challenge the CO when he made off the wall comments and tried to sell it as THE SOCIETY POSTIONS

in my exp so many black bro were like DON'T QUESTION MASSER- but we had some white guys who would like

"Could you share the Ref on that point in case the bro ask for a ref"

- and the co would him and hog around and finaly admit it was his personal opinion and it was like MUD ON THE FACE

The only other limiting factor is the three year visit policy - and , yes, some elders DO count visits - as in, "two more visits

and we get rid of this jerk

## YES and for that reason many elders would allow co to get away with murder by saying Look Jace he will be gone in 3 yrs, if you rock the boat he will take your name off the speakign list-

but in many cases, if you pulled thier chain the RIGHT WAY, humble and with ashes and sack cloth, i found that many would acknowledge they went alittle over board.

this is such a postion driven org that many good men get swallowed up in the glory and praise, yet i know many men who have left- thrown away all what little honor and titles wt as bestowed upon them due to taking a postion on what right-

it is so sad that the org takes bascially good folks , honest bible loving folks and then takes over thier lives

my mom became a jw due to

1. wanting to learn how to look up the books of the bible

2. living down south, seeing how jw dealt with the racial issues of worship

and for almost the next 40yrs wt used my mom to peddle and sell thier wares- today glad to say my mom is out, back in college at 62 and working in her flower garden on tuesday and thrusday evening- NO MORE MEETINGS

Leolaia

Let me understand this. The elders have, in essence, their own personal discretion in following the rules of disfellowshipping and can do as they please. The Society teaches that those who will be saved in Armageddon are those "identifying themselves with the organization," and presumably, those who are members in good standing. So....doesn't that mean that these elders are basically making up God's mind in who he is going to kill and not kill when the big A comes? That they are essentially judging who shall live and who shall perish? That they are separating the sheep from the goats? But doesn't the Society now teach that only Jesus and the angels judge when they come to execute judgment, and that the separation of the sheep and the goats happen in the future? Yet, by the arbitrary actions of the elders and their stumbling of the brothers they disfellowship, and considering the supposed "fact" that membership in the organization is the ticket to salvation, exactly how are the elders not acting as judges separating the goats from the sheep?

Undaunted Danny

So when they declare that the DFing is "@ the direction of the holy spirit".It's utter blaspheme pure and plain.

Didn't the apostle James say,"teachers and leaders will get a heavier judgement"?

Roddy

The WTS does that so when the local elders do the stupid thing the corporation is held harmless. But it's a two edged sword that can also work in your favor once you see the special angle. And the special angle is this: You can tell the elder or elders that if they do anything then you will hold them PERSONALLY liable and that they should carefully remember that the WTS will not defend or represent them in court - they are on their own and they can't run to Mommy for help. Mommy has them out on the limb like the monkeys they are. You'll get a badass lawyer, drag their asses into court, and sue them for everything they have! And then decide if you want to press for crimminal charges.

So nice to see elders and their lackeys run scared for a change.

Undaunted Danny

Roger that Roddy!

Click my bio/profile over yonder to the left.

I got em squirming.

Legal Reason Why Elders Are So Corrupt

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