What Is The Real Truth Behind Disfellowshipping?

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  • zen nudist
    zen nudist

    I suspect while we are INdoctrinated we find nothing much wrong with the concept of the DF, after all, we all grow up in countries which use methods of jailing and execution and as JWs we considered ourselves members of a higher government which accoring to the mosaic laws was pretty brutal on all its citizens, consider Deut 21:18 -- if you cannot brainwash your children, [proverbs adds after beating them], then bring them to the elders and have them stoned to death.

    over course while we were brainwashed this made some sort of sense as of course Jehovah was behind it all allowing it to happen as he saw fit and who were we to question his wisdom?

    but as the scales of irrational trust dropped and our realization that humans are liars by nature and con artists abound and we have likely been just as if not more so duped then those who we considered duped [everyone but us of course, after all how could we be duped, right?] we feel that what seemed fair to us before now is being used against us in a most unfair way....

    but it really is no different from all the other con artists and thieves we deal with as governments or religions with strict values and views.

    many religions are not as brutal as JWs, but some are far more so...but one of the things we admired about JWs when we were conned was that they matched the brutatlity of the bible to some extent, no?

  • kilroy2
    kilroy2

    communism is a form of economy? in one def. of the word, but as far as it was being used, he ment like that of the former ussr. or china. where it is a government of total control, of the economy and political system, ect, so he used the term correct to make the point he was trying to make, It becomes a one party political structure, Communism = control over every aspect of ones life, and it is a very good analogy of a system of religion or any other org. that trys to exhert total cortrol over its people..

  • Golf
    Golf

    Thanks Kilroy2. I remember the word 'terrific' at one time used to mean 'terrifying' now it's used as something being great, etc.

    Guest 77

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    Sinister Watchtower corporate president Nathan Knorr's "final solution" to squelch critics,dissidents and whistleblowers. It's UNscriptural and why: IS BLOOD THICKER THAN DOGMA? Not in the cult cocoon. Family is held hostage,in the Watchtower's "no brainer container". The WT$. twisted take on the 'disfellowshipping chapter'..1 Corn. 5. Here we have St. Paul's adroit adjudication.,,,,"Let him be as a man of the nations, i.e. a Gentile. or as a tax collector i.e. IRS agent. Back then these were people who were disliked, but not ostracized. [especially, if they were your own blood kin.] He was Dfed for only 90 days in this first case of a disfellowshipping precedent.

    ....Later in the New testament St.John elaborates further on Christian excommunication at ;[2 John 1
    11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work"] we have St. John's condemnation of who?THE ANTICHRIST to come. NOT A WAYWARD TEENAGER smoking cigarettes. John is not elaborating here on the 90 day shunning protocol of Paul he is writing about the abominable 'antichrist'. What is the watchtower's motive for family wrecking?

    The WT$ leaders are;"control freaks with a mean streak".They are also blinded to reality insulated in their Ivory tower.

    Back in 1989 I calculated that as the world turns,4.4 men women and children were disfellowshipped per hour for that year.The WT$ asserts that all were expelled @ "the direction of the Holy spirit".This is utter blasphemy.

    How JW cult leaders hook into your guilt and shame: They exploit the Scripture at Prov. 28:13: "He that is covering over his transgression will not succeed, but he that is confessing it will be shown mercy". They dupe you into 'spilling your guts' about intimate details of your private life so they can use it against you if you try to leave. This is standard operating procedure for all high control cults. This sleaze has a name it's called the:"Cult of confession".

    The Cult of Confession [spilling your guts]

    Serious sins (as defined by the organization) are to be confessed immediately. The members are to be reported if found walking contrary to the rules.

    There is often a tendency to derive pleasure from self-degradation through confession. This occurs when all must confess their sins before each other regularly,(e.g.masturbation,aka "self-abuse") creating an intense kind of "oneness" within the group. It also allows leaders from within to exercise authority over the weaker ones, using their "sins" as a whip to lead them on.

    These 'flunky','Ghouls for GOD '.Jehovah witness church elders create your disastrously dysfunctional problem in the FIRST PLACE,with their politics and cliques.Disfellowship,you for the problems that they instigated.

    Then.....come up from behind and like 'ghouls,'analyze till, their paralyzed' and do a "postmortem" as to why on earth you had a shipwreck of your faith? [Why,we only tried to help you]

    So,sometimes in despair you stumble into an odyssey a.k.a. the, "BOMB" .....of self destructive behavior.Leaving the'truth' and going to the dogs is not a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    The bastards are truly wolves in sheep's clothing.(Matthew 7:15).Your isolated and your family is now out of the picture,to render you support,because of the WT$'s satanic divide and conquer family wrecking.

    This is their pure demonic, psychopath,play book.The demons want to get back at humanity,and crave anything carnal ( especially wrecking familys,because God "wrecked" their family's at the great flood ) and harmful,to us because they know they are doomed and want to take as many, as the chosen with them.

    That's why the Watchtower has an evil draconian UNscriptural family wrecking shunning ritual.It's a family wrecking doctrine of demons from the get-go.

    Final note;to the Watchtower's 'final solution'.To quote Gary Buss."all it would take for the Watchtower to turn overnight into just another religion (and disarm dissidents like myself) would be to repeal their evil shunning protocol.
  • Golf
    Golf

    Dan, I always enjoy reading your comments especially when humor is injected, a touch of class!

    Guest 77

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    Thanks for the booster Golf.

    ""He was Dfed for only 90 days in this first case of a disfellowshipping precedent"".

    The primary concern of the JW Elders when deliberating their decisions to DF is to stonewall a potential secular civil lawsuit for shunning.

    God's will has got nothing to do with it.To dupe you they will cite the first Dfing precedent of a limited 90 days.They will go on to console the victim that,"the time duration of the DFing is all up to you".We are not 'jailers' when your 'repentance is shown' we will be eager to reinstate you.

    This is a willful LIE!

    Query to board participants:HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYONE BEING REINSTATED IN 3 MONTHS????

    If so,were they politically connected and what were the circumstances?

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan

    What Is The Real Truth Behind Disfellowshipping?

    Ar rogance, and in sacrifice.

    What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost, until he finds it?

    Answer - jws choose who should be sacrificed 'for the good of the ninety-nine', and they actually believe it.

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    they crucify the Son of God on their own account

  • Golf
    Golf

    Yes Dan, I brought this to the attention of the GB in my last letter. I even quoted from their publication about this man been reinstated shortly thereafter. I also quoted 2Cor.2:6, "This rebuke given by the MAJORITY is sufficent for such a man, so that...you should kindly forgive and comfort him..." It was the 'majority' of the congregation that expelled him and it was the majority that would reinstate him!

    What about the incident with Paul & King Agrippa at Acts chapter twenty-six? I mean, what did King Agrippa know about "doing works that befit repentance?" Paul was speaking to an unbeliever not to a body of fellow Christians about the criteria of reinstating a disfellowshipped person! What the hell did King Agrippa know about disfellowshipping?

    The Society has used this scripture as a measuring stick to reinstate disfellowshiped persons, you'll never find what Paul said to Agrippa to the Christian congregations.

    My last letter was over 20 pages in length and I never got an answer, even a comforting word. I got expelled for what an elder thought about me. In other words, a mind reading elder knew me better than I know myself. The end result from his personal viewpoint sent lights flashing in my head. The game was over for me. It was a blessing in disguise.

    My question in asking is, is there an evil controlling element behind this policy? How many friends got expelled for no scriptural reasons whatsoever? OK, enough air talk.

    Guest 77

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    Sorry guys, there was no other definition of communism. It is a type of economy, even when it was implimented in USSR and China. Just like capitalism is a form of economy here. You are thinking or totaltarianism and dictatorship, which coupled with communism, it is total control. There was no "former" definition, but rather, the word itself has just gotten negative connotation even though it quite possibly is a fine method of economy but not particularly my cup of tea.

    It is just a pet peave of mine when people do not understand what the differences between methods of economy and methods of government.

  • Golf
    Golf

    JWbot, did you ever read, "The 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto (1848) by Karl Marx?"

    Http://www-self.USC.edu/~tannenba/history.htm I hope this cite works.

    communism 1."a philosophy or system, derived from Marxism, advocating state owbership of land and property, postulating class conflict,... 2 "a political, social and economic system in which the state, governed by an 'elite' party, controls production, labor and distribution, and, largely, the social and cultural life and thought of the people: Communism is expressed in various movements,, but Russian sovietism is often referred to as a fair sample. In Communism ownership and control of everything would be in the hands of a 'small' group presumably representing the common people (Emory S. Borgarddus)

    Communism and Socialism are systems of social organization under which the means of production and distribution of goods are transferred from private hands to the government. The classic difference between the two systems lies in the different means they take to establish themselves: communism emphasizes the impracticability of replacing the existing social order by any means other than armed force or outside intervention; the advocates of socialism seek to establish it by peaceful means, through legislation rather than force.The World Book Dictionary.

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