Snipits from Sept 2004 KM's

by qwerty 23 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Annanias
    Annanias

    Cyber-sista, I appreciated your post. I would like to see a page on this site called "What Happened" where everyone could post their stories. I realize that most of the people here post parts of what happened to them at various times, but nothing ever seems all that coherent. Like you, I was damaged by the mistreatment of my family, but I hung in there, even knowing that my turn was comming. It did. You needn't apologize for your embitterment, as it seems quite normal on this site. Someone made the statement about David running and hiding because he didn't want to "sin against the annointed of Jehovah" by killing Saul. We all find the moment so lauditory, except nobody seems to stop and think: damn, that means all of those guys who are helping David, and fighting and dying with/for him ARE sinning against God's annointed. Hmmmm. If we put it into today's terms, David would be an apostate, and all the soldiers with him would be DF'd for their association, which, of course, were spoiling their useful habits. The problem here is as one guy once told me about most "elders", "They couldn't follow a logic trail if it were lit with neon signs!"

    If you will allow me a short story here, it's one that I use to illustrate how quickly dogmatic interpretations turn into a quagmire. I asked thisquestion of various "elders" from time to time just to mess with them, it was great.

    "Brother so-and-so, I need to ask you a question. As I father, I'd like to know how you answer a 16 year old when they ask you why they have to dress up to go to a meeting?"

    Answer 337A. "Well, you see, that's because we are showing respect for Jehovah!"

    Setting the hook. "I see. But doesn't the Bible say that Jehovah doesn't care about the outer appearnace of a man?"

    Shuffle, shuffle. "Ahem, well, you see, we need to show respect for our brother's and sisters."

    Got him! "But if Jehovah isn't concerned with our outer appearance, why should our brothers and sisters be?"

    "Oh, well, uh." More shuffling, and backpedaling, ducking, bobbing, weaving that inevitably ended up with this unconnected protoplasmic blob of ridiculous words, phrases, and scriptures.

    After a couple of paragraphs of watching the guy sweat I would usually declare mercy and stop him.

    "No, brother, the way you answer a 16 year old is to tell him: 'You dress up or I'll kill you'."

    Very, very rarely would one of them catch the drift.

  • Noumenon
    Noumenon

    (6) Who should never take priority over our loyalty to God, and when might this become a difficult test for us?

    An imperfect and fallible human 'organized religion', started off by a few well-intentioned individuals 120 years ago who uncovered some truths but also invented new false ones. These ones imagined themselves to be God's only channel of spiritual enlightenment and true interpretation. Now grown into a huge publishing house headed by a few self-appointed men in a GB and their committees, also under the misapprehension they are the literal fulfillment of Matt 24: 45-47, but themselves victims of having inherited and perpetuating many of the false faulty interpretations and policies of their predecessors, and now trapped in a control culture of extreme group-think and a conformism. Millions of unthinking but sincere adherents get dragged in their wake.

    (can't get this highlight off dammit)

  • Flash
    Flash

    Guilt, Guilt and MORE Guilt!

    Farkel is right, it's the same old tired tune!

    The GB has a real problem discerning the differance between legitimate criticism and rebelling against God!

    ...Correction. In their view there is no 'legitimate criticism,' only rebellion!!

  • wiegel
    wiegel

    I can't believe how much they live in the Old Testament.....and I never thought about that when I was in. But I guess that's where the 'scary' god lives, and so they keep dredging it up and swinging it back and forth in a hypnotic rhythm. Repetition for emphasis, repetition for emphasis, repetition, whatever it takes to keep them from using their own brains. Well, that's what I THINK.

  • qwerty
    qwerty

    wiegel< where did you get the name or am I being fick ?

    I know what you mean...........................

    I can't believe how much they live in the Old Testament

    Coz if they followed New Testement theology, they would be more like the person of Jesus in how they treat their followers.

    Qwerty

  • wiegel
    wiegel

    qwerty - my name is from a show on comedy central , one of our cable tv channels. reno 991, see it if you get the chance.......comedy is HIGHLY under-rated among the "happiest people in the world"!

  • qwerty
    qwerty

    I will have to keep a look out for that one, I like to laught!

  • NeonMadman
    NeonMadman

    Their use of Korah, Dathan and Abiram as examples is based on their misapplication of Moses' authority as being representative of the organization's. There is no such link in Scripture; Moses is seen over and over again to be a type of Christ, not of human leaders.

    I just watched this video again the other night, because I was thinking of showing it to my Sunday School class to demonstrate the distortion of scripture and mind control techniques that the WTS uses to control its members. I decided against it, mainly because there are so many fine points that would be picked up on by JW's, but would need to be explained in detail to those who have not been indoctrinated.

  • Confucious
    Confucious

    What really gets me with this type of thinking is that they PUT THEMSELVES in the seat of Christ.

    To ME, the more proper application is...

    "As for US, we cannot stop talking about the things we have SEEN AND HEARD."

    Please (to the WT appologists), STOP refering to things I say and do and STOP EQUATING this with disloyalty to the Christ.

    On the contrary, it would BOTHER my god given conscience to do some of the WT things.

    It AMAZES me that the average dub doesn't see the double standards here.

    When I first came into the truth, my LOYALTY ALWAYS lay with Loyalty towards God.

    My attitude was, this IS THE TRUTH. And I will keep doing this until I find "another" truth.

    When I stumbled upon the things I learned here on the Internet - I learned that that some of the theology is SERIOUSLY flawed.

    Gawd. For me right now to go back to some of those ways would be a SIN on my behalf. THAT IS... Knowing what I know NOW>

  • avengers
    avengers
    why not watch the video again? Let it doubly impress upon your mind
    why not watch the video again? Let it doubly impress upon your mind
    why not watch the video again? Let it doubly impress upon your mind
    why not watch the video again? Let it doubly impress upon your mind

    and again and again and again. Talk about brainwashing.

    Nice to "hear" from you.

    Andy.

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