Problems with JW daughter-in-law

by QCA1 16 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • franklin J
    franklin J

    HI,

    I am not a grandparent; I am however a parent of 3 small children.

    I do not think there is much you CAN do; legally. If the boy is 15, he is old enough to think for himself ---and you have planted a seed which he will not forget. The fact that he called you means he knows the differnce between his parents household environment and yours. He also knows which one will allow him to grow as an individual---he called you. You do know that you have made a difference in his life.

    There will come a time when he will be free to leave home; and your kindness to him will not be forgotten.

  • CeriseRose
    CeriseRose

    Hi Q.

    I'm not a parent, but I have been witness to many abusive situations. That's what you have there.

    You say that you want to maintain somewhat good relations with your son and his family...so, really, to do that you can't be seen as the catalyst to the situation (i.e. the person who 'caused' it all to come out). But at the same time, I agree with the people here who say that your grandson is turning to you for help.

    Thoughts:

    1. Can your 16 year old call to the other house and freely talk to your grandson? Find out if he's okay and what he wants to do. (The added bonus of this is that kids will usually talk to each other more freely than to an adult.) If he wants to leave and move in with you, then it would be up to you to take steps to facilitate that. The best way would obviously sit down with all members present and discuss it. If you don't think that would happen "nicely" then you involve social services.

    2. You could call your local crisis line, or victim's assistance branch of the police (don't know if you have those there) or some similar 'agency' and ask what your options are, what they think is the best way to proceed. This keeps it fairly anonymous and you can get advice without action being taken. (Remember, your grandson may be abused, but this is still his family and he may still be tied strongly to them and the answer for him may not be removing him, but getting the family help.)

    3. You could involve the school and say that you suspect abuse. They are then legally bound to follow up on it...which could cause all sorts of waves and various repurcussions you may not expect and your grandson can't handle. It's a fairly definitive action and it could cause a rift in your family quite quickly.

    I guess it really depends on how critical you think the situation is from a safety standpoint. Is the abuse enough that he's in immediate physical danger? Is it a situation where your son and his family would be willing to work through it, based on your grandson's needs? Will rocking the boat help your grandson or put him in more danger?

    This really is your grandson's call to make and personally, I think your best option is to have your 16 year old talk to him. Find out what's going on and what your options are based on his wishes. Then you can take the appropriate action.

    I hope it works out!

    Edit: I wanted to clarify some things...(this is what I get for posting on minimum caffiene!)

    I know that you posted that your grandson wanted to leave. He sees no other solution to the situation but to get out...and that may be the only solution. My comments about getting the family help are there as an option (I've been a JW though, I doubt it's a reasonable option in the face of JW dogma). When I talk about rocking the boat helping or putting him in more danger, I mean that you need to assess, based on your own experience, what your son and his wife will do if they find out he wants to leave. They may shut down all communications. They may play hardball legally. They may twist the story around when confronted. This really is a tactical situation...and why I said to get your facts straight (his wishes, what your legal and social service options are, etc.) before actually doing anything. You can't play fair...your son and his wife won't.

    And one last thought...I agree with the poster who said (I'm paraphrasing) you may have to make a choice between maintaining family relations with your son and his wife and helping your grandson. If there are other grandchildren involved, you may want to remove yourself as the instigator and let it go through the school system...that way if he's 'placed' with you (you can make that generous offer to keep him in the family) you haven't placed the other kids in jeopardy of not being able to reach you if they want.

    Okay I think I'm done. If not, I'll be back. :)

  • QCA1
    QCA1

    happy quy thankyou for your advice all you have mentioned has hit a cord with me.

    your comments are logical and straightforward and given me lots to think about on which avenue i can go down.

    thankyou so much and God bless you too

    qca1

  • QCA1
    QCA1

    balsam thank you for your advice and thanks for inviting me to send you a message i am going to contact the school i think that is the best way forward,i'd rather do that than contact my son as he already has said it is nothing to do with me.Will the school keep it confidential between me and my grandson?

    Thankyou

    qca1

  • QCA1
    QCA1

    thankyou franklin j your comments brought a tears to my eyes,Cal knows i love him dearly,when they all came over as a family i made a bee line for my grandkids, when they were leaving i'd kiss them and whisper in their ears i love you because i knew that the environment they were in was opressive.

    thankyou so much for your comments

  • QCA1
    QCA1

    thankyou ceriserose for your comments all of which have been noted,i will ask my 16yr old son to phone he may not get any respone,i know that Cal is very often grounded which restricts him somewhat as to phoning on a pay phone. I am thinking about calling the school though and ask to keep it confidential.

    Thanks again

    qca1

  • outbutnotdown
    outbutnotdown

    Hi QCA1,

    A lot of good advice so far. Outnfree's point about your grandson feeling that maybe controlling his eating is about the only thing he can control is a good one. This would not likely be a conscious decision, but since it is possibly a subconscious one, is evidence that HE FEELS abused or hurt, emotionally.

    Also, Bryan's point about him asking for your help... is potentially his last cry.... he may go into a shell and become introverted if you don't help. (Not to put too much pressure on you... :) )

    Happy guy's advice is probably the best, once you take into consideration that it would certainly seem that he DOES NEED and WANT help. I think the school approach would be best.

    I have four kids and I am going through a divorce. My kids are younger..... 10,7,5,4.... but as their ages go up, they are showing more signs of cries for help, because of mostly emotional abuse by their mother and grandmother, ironically. I am very close to getting them out of there, but because of their ages, I have to do it 100% through the court system. Their cries for help, however, are not dissimilar to your grandson's.

    Not to sound disrespectful to your son, but he doesn't know the harm he is causing his own son right now. He is evidently too wrapped in the obey Jehovah at ALL costs mentality, or is potentially being too controlled by his wife (I can relate to him on that one... doh!) and is not seeing the big picture. You are probably best equipped to look out for your grandson's best interest, but if your laws are similar to here in Ontario, Canada, as a grandparent you have no custodial rights to interfere. So it will have to be your grandson's wishes.

    One other point that I thought about expressing..... I was never very good at pretend games, so I don't think I could pull it off myself, but if it could work for you, try to see if you can go so far as to let your son believe you went too far and that he was right..... to get back in, on the good side of them and work on your grandson from there. Tell your grandson flat out that you want to make sure he leaves safely, since his dad might just be going through a rough time and not seeing how he is hurting him. Assure him that you are not taking him away for good.... just until dad "feels" better. Even though he hates what his dad and mom are doing to him, he will still need assurance that his paternal bonds will not be severed for good.

    I wish you the best,

    Brad

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