Recently, a JW relative tried to discuss my "spiritual well-being" with me.
I have had conversations in the past with this same relative concerning 607 vs 586/587 and 1914. No matter what I said, it went in one ear and out the other. It was like talking to a brick wall. I realized I was wasting my breath and time, so I avoided "spiritual" discussions with this relative after a while.
In these discussions I usually tried to be non-agressive and non-threatening in my responses or my points, so as to not to get labeled "trouble maker" or even "apostate". I tried to just raise questions and doubts without committing to any one viewpoint or personal belief.
Well, recently this relative cornered me and started in again on my not attending meetings and questioning the F&DS. Instead of trying to counter argue every thing they said, I let them ramble on. I waited until their foot was firmly planted in their mouth and for them to take a breath. This time I decided to just come out and say what I was thinking instead of playing pyscho-babble bullshit games.
It was a fairly lengthy discussion, with them doing most of the talking until they got tired, but when I spoke, it was to the point, it rattled them and left them without a word to say.
They kept talking about the "organization" and how Jehovah has "always" had an earthly organization. I asked what organization did Adam belong to? What organization did Job belong to? What was the organization in 200AD? What was the organization in 1699? What organization did Russell belong to before creating the WTS? Speaking of Russell, Russell taught that Jesus returned in 1874 and that Armageddon was to come in 1914. It didn't happen, so the date changed. It didn't happen again and he died. Also while speaking of Russell, the man was a crackpot. Go back and read the early Watchtowers. The man was loopy. He measured pyramids and claimed that they were modern prophets. Where the hell did he get that? Divine inspiration? He died and another nice'un took over(against the will of the man who started it all). He set a new date and promised resurrection of people long dead. He was wrong. He changed the date of Jesus return from 1874 to 1914. Had to keep that 1914 date in there somehow.
So what is truth? 1874? 1914? 1975? Truth cannot change. If you claim that something is truth and then either change it or it is proved wrong, then truth was a lie. Truth cannot be one thing today and something else next week.
This "organization" has constantly revised doctrine and dates for Armaggedon. Every one of them for over one hundred years has been proved wrong. (At this point, they tried to argue that the WTS never said Armaggedon was coming in 75) Oh yes they did. They might not have said in these words, "Armaggedon is coming in 1975" but they alluded to it, they created a sense of urgency and they convinced us that it was so close that education, housing and medical situations were not important. But yet 1975 wasn't even an important year in anything. Nothing happened then, or later. But yet they kept that sense of urgency because the people alive in 1914 would see Armaggedon. Wrong again. That generation is gone. So, the WTS changes doctrine once again. This religion has preyed on the fears of people and none of their "prophecies" have come true. (Again they tried to argue that the org is not a prophet). Oh but you need to read your Watchtowers. They most certainly have claimed to be prophets. But they were wrong. They have false prophecied.
So you want me to put faith in a religion that has been proven wrong time and time again over and over? You want me to believe that this group of doomsayers started by a whacked pyramid measurer is God's prophet? Forget it.
They just stood there, dumbfounded and speechless. It was priceless.
But I know that this person will probably report back to the elders, so I can expect a phone call sometime soon, I'm thinking.