JW's and government

by Granny Linda 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • Granny Linda
    Granny Linda

    My JW sister works for the postal service, wearing the uniform and driving one of their mail trucks. Not only do I think this is hypocritical given the JW stance on government, it pisses me off each time I go to the post office and read the stupid sign about postal employees and federal crimes blah blah blah - like, what makes them so much more important than any other working person.

    Anyhow this has been bugging me for some time and I'd really like to confront her one day about wearing a symbol of the government, but I doubt I'll ever have the chance.

    Gawd, I detest those phoney people.

    GL

  • heathen
    heathen

    To my knowledge the WTBTS only states it is unwise to salute the flag for fear of a form of idolotry . It is not against the rules to wear a flag on a uniform . The postal service is not a government job . I have known some that worked for the prison system which I think is way more hypocritical because it is working for the government and a corrupt justice system .

  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    The postal service is not a government job .

    This surprises me I did not know that the United States Postal service was part of the private sector. I always thought it was part of the Public sector. When did they privatize it?

  • heathen
    heathen

    I always thought it was private myself since the days of the pony exspress . The postal service is opperated by self generating funds and is not subsidized by tax payer money . If you have any evidence to the contrary please feel free to post .

  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    The United States Postal ServiceĀ® is an independent establishment of the Executive Branch of the United States Government. It operates in a businesslike way.

    In the more than two centuries since USPSĀ® began, it has grown and changed with America. Discovering the history of the Postal Service is a journey into the history of transportation, economics, industrialization, communications, and government.

    Today, the Postal Service? delivers hundreds of millions of messages each day to more than 141 million homes and businesses.

    This is the story of the evolution of the Postal Service and the important role it has played in the development of the United States.

    It looks like it's part of the Public sector and hence controlled by the Government. My guess is you thought it was not because of the fact that it operates as an independant establishment etc.

  • Schizm
    Schizm
    The postal service is not a government job .

    False! The USPS is indeed a government agency.

    Here's a list of agencies of the U.S. government. http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/independent-agencies.html You'll find the USPS listed there under the letter "U"as follows:

    United States Postal Service (USPS)
    www.usps.gov

    The author of this thread stated:

    My JW sister works for the postal service, wearing the uniform and driving one of their mail trucks. ... I think this is hypocritical given the JW stance on government....

    Jehovah's Witnesses have the same right to have a job as anybody else. Your reasoning is extremely shallow. If your way of reasoning was correct though, a JW would be "hypocritical" were he or she to make use of government currency, such as a $1.00 bill. To simply be employed by an agency of the government is not the same thing as becoming involved in politics.

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  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    Jehovah's Witnesses have the same right to have a job as anybody else. Your reasoning is extremely shallow. If your way of reasoning was correct though, a JW would be "hypocritical" were he or she to make use of government currency, such as a $1.00 bill. To simply be employed by an agency of the government is not the same thing as becoming involved in politics.

    Schiz I will speak on her defense (in case she went to bed). I understand her point. Firstly it is NOT a question of rights. As far as rights go a JW has the same rights as anyone else in society and that is not in question.

    It has to do with the fact that JWs believe that the Gov't is controlled by Satan and does Satan's will. If a JW were to work for the Gov't then it could be argued that the JW is assisting Satan in advancing Satan's agenda. The creator of this thread views that as hypocritical behavior for a JW. A JW has opportunity to be gainfully employed in the U.S. without having to participate in working for the Government.

  • Schizm
    Schizm
    It has to do with the fact that JWs believe that the Gov't is controlled by Satan and does Satan's will. If a JW were to work for the Gov't then it could be argued that the JW is assisting Satan in advancing Satan's agenda.

    You say "could be argued". Of course anything can be argued. But can it be SUCCESSFULLY argued? JWs believe that the "world" ALSO is in the grips of Satan (god of this system). What would you have them do, get out of the world? Which, btw, is somewhat akin to something I'll already said ... something which you haven't commented on yet:

    Your reasoning is extremely shallow. If your way of reasoning was correct though, a JW would be "hypocritical" by his or her making use of government currency, such as a $1.00 bill. (reworded for clarification purposes.)--Schizm.

    Another thought: Would you argue that a JW who faithfully pays his federal taxes is in fact "assisting Satan in advancing Satan's agenda," simply on the basis that said JW "believes that the Gov't is controlled by Satan"?

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  • johnny cip
    johnny cip

    You say "could be argued". Of course anything can be argued. But can it be SUCCESSFULLY argued? JWs believe that the "world" ALSO is in the grips of Satan (god of this system). What would you have them do, get out of the world? Which, btw, is somewhat akin to something I'll already said ... something which you haven't commented on yet:

    the jw's cry they don't take part in the world or gov't . then if you take a gov't job your a hypocrite !!!!!! you are supporting the gov't in the job you are doing, garbage man , clerical worker at the court, janitor in a gov't building or postal worker. etc. such a worker accepts all the benefits from the ill gotten works that the gov't provides. if the wt was true to it's teaching, they would tell jw's not to take such jobs. but the wt is a hypocrite. there are plenty of other people who want those jobs and will not curse the union, city, gov't for providing .

    Your reasoning is extremely shallow. If your way of reasoning was correct though, a JW would be "hypocritical" by his or her making use of government currency, such as a $1.00 bill. (reworded for clarification purposes.)--Schizm.

    well since the wt and jw's are really part of this world. hypocrites again. they have no choice, they claim to be jehovah's theocratic gov't on earth . so they should print thier own money. ie . it's done in IRAN. IRAN IS A THEOCRATIC GOV'T run by the regelious leaders. the wt must be jealous. as for taxes the wt is a hypocrite a 1000x over in this regard. they tell the jw's to pay thier taxes, but the wt will do anything, including getting in bed with political agencies world wide . to circumvent local laws ,to not pay tax. sounds like what jesus told the pharisesses. Schizm sounds like you have problem understanding what hypocrite lying bastards the leaders of the wt are, and how thier double talk , leads people like you into defending them. in certian ways. i will hope somehow the blinders are taken off you eyes. john ps just one for instance , there was a article in the wt about 20 years ago . about a jw that worked for coca-cola. one of his delivery stops was an army base he was told to get an other delivery route or get df'ed. an other is the wt law in alternative serv. till may of 1996 the wt sent 10's of 1000's of jw's to prison for not accepting the c.o. tax many gov't applied to young men. did jehovah talk to them in 1996 and sayu it's ok now? jesus told the jews to carry the roman armies belongings not one mile but 2 miles. that was a tax in bibical times. did not the romans make stephen carry jesus' cross. an other tax. taxes were more than money in the time of jesus. just as jesus told his desciples to give back to ceasar what is ceasers. using a coin as reference. so of the leaders of the wt claim to be foot step followers of jesus ? they should do as jesus said. and stop cheating ceaser. by claiming they are a charity. and building up treasures on earth.

  • iiz2cool
    iiz2cool

    I'm not sure about the current setup of the Canadian postal system, but I worked for them from 1976 to 1979, before I was a JW. At that time anyway, it was a government job, and upon hiring we were required to swear an oath of alliegence to the Queen of England. When I was a JW I knew several elders that worked for the post office, so I asked them how they avoided giving this oath. All of them gave me evasive answers.

    Walter

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