jw takes blood over plasma in b.c.

by orbison11 42 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Greenpalmtreestillmine
    Greenpalmtreestillmine

    Hi SixofNine,

    I recognize what you're saying but the risk issue is really like the flavoring in children's aspirin. It makes the medicine a little more palatable but it is not the reason for taking the medicine. I believe most JWs are well aware that the reason they do not take transfusions is because they believe the Bible forbids it. The risk factor is promoted as a bonus and even as a basis for faith in God's word but in the end the prohibition on blood is Biblical. It stands or falls on scripture not on risk. The blood transfusion doctrine is an extension of the Bible's prohibition on eating blood, a practice that is not all that risky yet strictly avoided by many JWs because it is based on scripture.

    But maybe I'm wrong, maybe most JWs don't know what and why they believe what they do.

    Sabrina

  • undercover
    undercover

    Hey supersuckered,

    Just don't cut and paste, hit and run. Answer some of the questions posed to you. Debate the topic.

  • JustTickledPink
    JustTickledPink

    That is true... the reasons JWs don't take blood has nothing to do with risk. Believe it or not, one of the most risky things you can do is get in traffic behind the wheel of a car. Talk about risk, thousands die each year in car accidents..... that is scary. Maybe we should give up cars.

    Same is true for celebrating Christmas. They don't celebrate because there are risks and you could die. The reasons are a totally seperate issue.

  • MySuperSecret
    MySuperSecret

    Sabrina you are right and the reason witnesses stay away from blood is scriptures. I stongly reject the idea that jws are advocating the death of more people bye blood. They are not murdering anyone because of there stand on blood.

    Acts 15:28.29 I wont quote scriptures you've probably had your fair share of that lol. But here it puts blood with fornication and things sacrificed to idols and so on.

    Genesis 9:3,4 no blood

    leviticus 17:13-16 bled animal fleash but no blood.

    Okay so no blood is simple in the scriptures. so the only claim is that it is an unjust death? Why should we have to die because of no blood when we could keep living....in satans system.

    Well its important to show Jehovah you have no love for this world, and want nothing to do with it. If your not ready or prepared to do this dont become a jehovahs witness. Number 2 often being a witness is referred to as being in war, theres war all around us. Eph 6 gives a good account of the suit of armor and how this armor is comrised of faith and righteousness and so on. If we need this armor isnt it safe to say we will do battle? If I die in a Nazi Concentration camp...is it any different from dying on a hospital bed? You say no to the nazis you face the fear of death, you say no to the doctors and you face the fear of death. Are Jehovah's witnesses suppose to fear death? I think true Witnesses fear only one thing....Jehovah. It is this fear of his holy judgement that moves us to deny blood....to show no fear in the face of death, yes that would be the only way to prove a witness for jehovah. I for one dont see anything in satans world worth hanging onto.

    Why do we try to run away from genesis 3:19 ""For dust you are, and to dust you will return."

    Ecclesiates 9:11 says time and unforseen occurrences befall us all. such is also true in the medical world we have to be prepared for what could happen. If you think that being a Jehovahs Witness means your gonna live to be old, thats not the case.

    Look at proverbs 16:17 One who is safegaurding hiw way is keeping his soul. Soul can be rendered to mean blood or life.

    You can also look at this as to keep your blood to yourself. He is not sharing his soul is he?

    At john 17:3 jesus says this means everlasting live. Can the doctor give you everlating live? No infact blood transfusions kill elderly faster then regular adults.

    Ecc 3:2 there is a time to die. We all have to face this reality of life.

    2 Tim 3:1,2 i think. It says that the last days will be hard to deal with. This includes staring death in the face. Having some professional tell you something he read in a book, the same way as what u believe..it was written in a book. But the question is. What book do you want to follow?

    I have to go back for more heat surgery...I face this blood issue today as we speak. Am i going to hinder.....cower at the thought of death no, I told my doctor that if he didnt trust himself to do the surgery without blood I will find a doctor more confident in his skills.

    I would like to live, I am going to go thru everything possible to try and get this surgery done without blood. Which will be easy cuz its not major major....just a young doc scared to take a chance.

    Doctors use blood as a safegaurd. Mal practice claims against the government could rise well into the billions of dollars if doctors did not use blood to save there arses. Most cases where blood is needed in surgery is because the doctor made a mistake....which is fine there human. But the victims of these cases would no doubt sue the government for alot of money. So they use there cash to fund blood because its acts like a safty net. This is only seen in North America where we have the money to pour into a system like this. This issue dosnt exist in other countries because in other countries to cant sue your government claiming them responsible for anything. So we seee doctors trying to copy what we do over here all though we do what we do over here only to save money. And in the process of them trying to copy us, they result in doing more harm then good. So do we justify what is going on in third world countrys because it adds to our "finacial security" or our "physical security" the feeling that we can walk across the street alittle safer.

    The red cross is a good organization of course, they do what they can knowing what they know. But I do not agree with 91 percent, I will look into it in more detail, but im sure that number includes what they payed out for there saleries and so on. I think 9 percent of the funds cant be accounted for. I could be wrong, when I have more time I will look into it.

  • MySuperSecret
    MySuperSecret

    Sabrina you are right and the reason witnesses stay away from blood is scriptures. I stongly reject the idea that jws are advocating the death of more people bye blood. They are not murdering anyone because of there stand on blood.

    Acts 15:28.29 I wont quote scriptures you've probably had your fair share of that lol. But here it puts blood with fornication and things sacrificed to idols and so on.

    Genesis 9:3,4 no blood

    leviticus 17:13-16 bled animal fleash but no blood.

    Okay so no blood is simple in the scriptures. so the only claim is that it is an unjust death? Why should we have to die because of no blood when we could keep living....in satans system.

    Well its important to show Jehovah you have no love for this world, and want nothing to do with it. If your not ready or prepared to do this dont become a jehovahs witness. Number 2 often being a witness is referred to as being in war, theres war all around us. Eph 6 gives a good account of the suit of armor and how this armor is comrised of faith and righteousness and so on. If we need this armor isnt it safe to say we will do battle? If I die in a Nazi Concentration camp...is it any different from dying on a hospital bed? You say no to the nazis you face the fear of death, you say no to the doctors and you face the fear of death. Are Jehovah's witnesses suppose to fear death? I think true Witnesses fear only one thing....Jehovah. It is this fear of his holy judgement that moves us to deny blood....to show no fear in the face of death, yes that would be the only way to prove a witness for jehovah. I for one dont see anything in satans world worth hanging onto.

    Why do we try to run away from genesis 3:19 ""For dust you are, and to dust you will return."

    Ecclesiates 9:11 says time and unforseen occurrences befall us all. such is also true in the medical world we have to be prepared for what could happen. If you think that being a Jehovahs Witness means your gonna live to be old, thats not the case.

    Look at proverbs 16:17 One who is safegaurding hiw way is keeping his soul. Soul can be rendered to mean blood or life.

    You can also look at this as to keep your blood to yourself. He is not sharing his soul is he?

    At john 17:3 jesus says this means everlasting live. Can the doctor give you everlating live? No infact blood transfusions kill elderly faster then regular adults.

    Ecc 3:2 there is a time to die. We all have to face this reality of life.

    2 Tim 3:1,2 i think. It says that the last days will be hard to deal with. This includes staring death in the face. Having some professional tell you something he read in a book, the same way as what u believe..it was written in a book. But the question is. What book do you want to follow?

    I have to go back for more heat surgery...I face this blood issue today as we speak. Am i going to hinder.....cower at the thought of death no, I told my doctor that if he didnt trust himself to do the surgery without blood I will find a doctor more confident in his skills.

    I would like to live, I am going to go thru everything possible to try and get this surgery done without blood. Which will be easy cuz its not major major....just a young doc scared to take a chance.

    Doctors use blood as a safegaurd. Mal practice claims against the government could rise well into the billions of dollars if doctors did not use blood to save there arses. Most cases where blood is needed in surgery is because the doctor made a mistake....which is fine there human. But the victims of these cases would no doubt sue the government for alot of money. So they use there cash to fund blood because its acts like a safty net. This is only seen in North America where we have the money to pour into a system like this. This issue dosnt exist in other countries because in other countries to cant sue your government claiming them responsible for anything. So we seee doctors trying to copy what we do over here all though we do what we do over here only to save money. And in the process of them trying to copy us, they result in doing more harm then good. So do we justify what is going on in third world countrys because it adds to our "finacial security" or our "physical security" the feeling that we can walk across the street alittle safer.

    The red cross is a good organization of course, they do what they can knowing what they know. But I do not agree with 91 percent, I will look into it in more detail, but im sure that number includes what they payed out for there saleries and so on. I think 9 percent of the funds cant be accounted for. I could be wrong, when I have more time I will look into it. And

  • MySuperSecret
    MySuperSecret

    Sabrina you are right and the reason witnesses stay away from blood is scriptures. I stongly reject the idea that jws are advocating the death of more people bye blood. They are not murdering anyone because of there stand on blood.

    Acts 15:28.29 I wont quote scriptures you've probably had your fair share of that lol. But here it puts blood with fornication and things sacrificed to idols and so on.

    Genesis 9:3,4 no blood

    leviticus 17:13-16 bled animal fleash but no blood.

    Okay so no blood is simple in the scriptures. so the only claim is that it is an unjust death? Why should we have to die because of no blood when we could keep living....in satans system.

    Well its important to show Jehovah you have no love for this world, and want nothing to do with it. If your not ready or prepared to do this dont become a jehovahs witness. Number 2 often being a witness is referred to as being in war, theres war all around us. Eph 6 gives a good account of the suit of armor and how this armor is comrised of faith and righteousness and so on. If we need this armor isnt it safe to say we will do battle? If I die in a Nazi Concentration camp...is it any different from dying on a hospital bed? You say no to the nazis you face the fear of death, you say no to the doctors and you face the fear of death. Are Jehovah's witnesses suppose to fear death? I think true Witnesses fear only one thing....Jehovah. It is this fear of his holy judgement that moves us to deny blood....to show no fear in the face of death, yes that would be the only way to prove a witness for jehovah. I for one dont see anything in satans world worth hanging onto.

    Why do we try to run away from genesis 3:19 ""For dust you are, and to dust you will return."

    Ecclesiates 9:11 says time and unforseen occurrences befall us all. such is also true in the medical world we have to be prepared for what could happen. If you think that being a Jehovahs Witness means your gonna live to be old, thats not the case.

    Look at proverbs 16:17 One who is safegaurding hiw way is keeping his soul. Soul can be rendered to mean blood or life.

    You can also look at this as to keep your blood to yourself. He is not sharing his soul is he?

    At john 17:3 jesus says this means everlasting live. Can the doctor give you everlating live? No infact blood transfusions kill elderly faster then regular adults.

    Ecc 3:2 there is a time to die. We all have to face this reality of life.

    2 Tim 3:1,2 i think. It says that the last days will be hard to deal with. This includes staring death in the face. Having some professional tell you something he read in a book, the same way as what u believe..it was written in a book. But the question is. What book do you want to follow?

    I have to go back for more heat surgery...I face this blood issue today as we speak. Am i going to hinder.....cower at the thought of death no, I told my doctor that if he didnt trust himself to do the surgery without blood I will find a doctor more confident in his skills.

    I would like to live, I am going to go thru everything possible to try and get this surgery done without blood. Which will be easy cuz its not major major....just a young doc scared to take a chance.

    Doctors use blood as a safegaurd. Mal practice claims against the government could rise well into the billions of dollars if doctors did not use blood to save there arses. Most cases where blood is needed in surgery is because the doctor made a mistake....which is fine there human. But the victims of these cases would no doubt sue the government for alot of money. So they use there cash to fund blood because its acts like a safty net. This is only seen in North America where we have the money to pour into a system like this. This issue dosnt exist in other countries because in other countries to cant sue your government claiming them responsible for anything. So we seee doctors trying to copy what we do over here all though we do what we do over here only to save money. And in the process of them trying to copy us, they result in doing more harm then good. So do we justify what is going on in third world countrys because it adds to our "finacial security" or our "physical security" the feeling that we can walk across the street alittle safer.

    The red cross is a good organization of course, they do what they can knowing what they know. But I do not agree with 91 percent, I will look into it in more detail, but im sure that number includes what they payed out for there saleries and so on. I think 9 percent of the funds cant be accounted for. I could be wrong, when I have more time I will look into it. And I

  • MySuperSecret
    MySuperSecret

    Sabrina you are right and the reason witnesses stay away from blood is scriptures. I stongly reject the idea that jws are advocating the death of more people bye blood. They are not murdering anyone because of there stand on blood.

    Acts 15:28.29 I wont quote scriptures you've probably had your fair share of that lol. But here it puts blood with fornication and things sacrificed to idols and so on.

    Genesis 9:3,4 no blood

    leviticus 17:13-16 bled animal fleash but no blood.

    Okay so no blood is simple in the scriptures. so the only claim is that it is an unjust death? Why should we have to die because of no blood when we could keep living....in satans system.

    Well its important to show Jehovah you have no love for this world, and want nothing to do with it. If your not ready or prepared to do this dont become a jehovahs witness. Number 2 often being a witness is referred to as being in war, theres war all around us. Eph 6 gives a good account of the suit of armor and how this armor is comrised of faith and righteousness and so on. If we need this armor isnt it safe to say we will do battle? If I die in a Nazi Concentration camp...is it any different from dying on a hospital bed? You say no to the nazis you face the fear of death, you say no to the doctors and you face the fear of death. Are Jehovah's witnesses suppose to fear death? I think true Witnesses fear only one thing....Jehovah. It is this fear of his holy judgement that moves us to deny blood....to show no fear in the face of death, yes that would be the only way to prove a witness for jehovah. I for one dont see anything in satans world worth hanging onto.

    Why do we try to run away from genesis 3:19 ""For dust you are, and to dust you will return."

    Ecclesiates 9:11 says time and unforseen occurrences befall us all. such is also true in the medical world we have to be prepared for what could happen. If you think that being a Jehovahs Witness means your gonna live to be old, thats not the case.

    Look at proverbs 16:17 One who is safegaurding hiw way is keeping his soul. Soul can be rendered to mean blood or life.

    You can also look at this as to keep your blood to yourself. He is not sharing his soul is he?

    At john 17:3 jesus says this means everlasting live. Can the doctor give you everlating live? No infact blood transfusions kill elderly faster then regular adults.

    Ecc 3:2 there is a time to die. We all have to face this reality of life.

    2 Tim 3:1,2 i think. It says that the last days will be hard to deal with. This includes staring death in the face. Having some professional tell you something he read in a book, the same way as what u believe..it was written in a book. But the question is. What book do you want to follow?

    I have to go back for more heat surgery...I face this blood issue today as we speak. Am i going to hinder.....cower at the thought of death no, I told my doctor that if he didnt trust himself to do the surgery without blood I will find a doctor more confident in his skills.

    I would like to live, I am going to go thru everything possible to try and get this surgery done without blood. Which will be easy cuz its not major major....just a young doc scared to take a chance.

    Doctors use blood as a safegaurd. Mal practice claims against the government could rise well into the billions of dollars if doctors did not use blood to save there arses. Most cases where blood is needed in surgery is because the doctor made a mistake....which is fine there human. But the victims of these cases would no doubt sue the government for alot of money. So they use there cash to fund blood because its acts like a safty net. This is only seen in North America where we have the money to pour into a system like this. This issue dosnt exist in other countries because in other countries to cant sue your government claiming them responsible for anything. So we seee doctors trying to copy what we do over here all though we do what we do over here only to save money. And in the process of them trying to copy us, they result in doing more harm then good. So do we justify what is going on in third world countrys because it adds to our "finacial security" or our "physical security" the feeling that we can walk across the street alittle safer.

    The red cross is a good organization of course, they do what they can knowing what they know. But I do not agree with 91 percent, I will look into it in more detail, but im sure that number includes what they payed out for there saleries and so on. I think 9 percent of the funds cant be accounted for. I could be wrong, when I have more time I will look into it. And I will

  • MySuperSecret
    MySuperSecret

    Sry I dont know why that posted so many times, my computer lagged real bad then did some funy things...I guess.

    If anyone knows how to dellets posts plz let me know. Or if an admin sees this please I only meant for one post not four, If you could dellete the extra ones that would be great.

  • xjw_b12
    xjw_b12

    Greenpalmtrees said:

    But Jehovah's Witnesses do not avoid blood because of risk do they? JWs do not take blood transfusions because in their opinion the Bible forbids it. So the discussion on the safety of blood transfusions is a moot one since even if blood transfusions were as safe as drinking a glass of water, JWs would still not take transfusions. Right?

    Actually their opinion is "forced" on them by the very GB that condems the medical system and court system for "forcing" blood transfusions on minors.

    If JWs were actually left to their own devices to decide how to interpet the biblical statement "to abstain from blood", how many JWs do you actually think would accept a transfusion if they deemed it medically necessary?

  • undercover
    undercover
    Acts 15:28.29 I wont quote scriptures you've probably had your fair share of that lol. But here it puts blood with fornication and things sacrificed to idols and so on.

    Acts 15: 28,29: For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU , except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU !?

    You can look at this scripture two ways.
    1. Abstaining from blood means to not eat blood, especially in accord with animals sacrificed to idols, etc. Taking a blood transfusion is not eating blood. Blood transfusion is the same as an organ transplant. Therefore blood transfusions are not the same as eating blood.
    2. If one chooses to take the sentance as literal as possible, then one must abstain from blood. Period. No blood. This seems to be the stance that JWs take. No blood. But a problem arises. Over the years the blood policy for JWs has changed. JWs are now allowed to take components of blood, but not the main four components or whole blood. But, the components are part of blood, they come from blood. To "abstain" for a JW means to have no part of. How can components by allowed if one is to abstain from blood?
    If this sentance is to be taken as literal as the JWs take it, shouldn't we be as diligent about abstaining from things strangled as well? How many of us know how the animal was killed of which we ate it's flesh? How many ask the waiter at the restaurant or the butcher at the market how the animal was killed or even if it was properly bled for that matter?

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