zen nudist:
But then again, scientists tell us that you can't "prove" a negative. In other words, you can't prove that God doesn't exist.
The same of course is true for Santa Claus, unicorns, gremlins, the bogeyman, Vishnu, etc.
brother devoted:
Be careful with the run-on sentences. It makes your post much harder to understand. But I'll have a go anyway.
since something exists now, it must follow logically that something has existed forever
That doesn't follow logically at all. That's just an assertion.
most scientists have agreed with the conclusion the univers had a beginning since something exists now, it must follow logically that something has existed forever and that something caused this universe (Law of causality)
You'r now using your initial assertion that something always existed as proof that something existed before the universe. You're also claiming that a law only known to operate within our universe also operates outside it without any proof.
Sproul ?Logic requires that if something exists contingently, it must have a cause. That is merely to say, if it is an effect it must have an antecedent cause? (1994, p. 172)
You have yet to prove that the universe is an effect. If it is not an effect, then it doesn't necessarily have a cause.
whether you wish to say it is some man in the sky I don't know,
Why would you? Even if one accepts your assertions that the universe is caused by something which has always existed, why would anyone conclude that it's a man in the sky. Whatever the chances of something existing outside the universe, the chances of it being anything like us must be astronomically smal
but lets break it down to it;s bear essentials God from the hebrew word EL means powerful one
I don't understand how this is related to what has gone before. Who cares what the Hebrews called their god(s)? What does that have to do with anything?
power is was needed to produce all that exists and is needed to sustain it.
I'm not sure what you mean by power. Do you mean what physicists call energy? Or something else? Either way, it seems like another unfounded assertion.
and since all that exists especially that which is evidenced on this earth works on a symbiotic relationship,
Nonsense. Do asteroids have a symbiotic relationship with planets? What about stars and black holes?
a unified whole we can see how that power is unified or becomes "one" linguistically and logically therefore "powerfule one" is an appropriate description for that cause.
You keep using the word "logically." Do you have any idea what it means?
