daniels prophecy, to be studied next year? More self glorification

DaCheech

Are they kidding?

We gotta sit through this again?

Isaiah's prophecy and daniels book has to be the most "blow smoke up their ass book there is"!

MungoBaobab

Daniel's Prophecy didn't bother me, but those Isaiah Books...Twin Engines of Boredom!

-Zzzzzzzzzzz

Quotes

(with Homer Simpson voice)

Oh sure, Daniel.

You gotta study Daniel.....

(zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

cab1000

As a fader, I sit back on tuesday evening, relishing the joy of not having to sit thru ONE MORE HOUR of that crap.

Black Sheep

Here's my version of the Denial's Prophesy Study.

Does Daniel say anything about 'the gentile times' in Chapter 4?

No.

Did Daniel understand what he wrote from chapter 10 on?

12:8 Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand; so that I said: ?O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?
9 And he went on to say: ?Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end.

When did the 'time of [the] end' begin?

When did Russell first understand the words of secrecy in Daniel?

In the October 1876, The Bible Examiner, Russell reckoned that is was revealed to 'His servants' that the end of the gentile times would occur in 1914.

How could Russell know the secret if it was "...sealed up till the time of the end"?

If the time of the end didn't occur till 1914, writing before 1914, how could Russell know the secret which was "...sealed up until the time of [the] end"?

If Russell could know the secret that was "...sealed up until the time of [the] end" when he wrote about it in 1876, wouldn't that mean that the time of the end had already begun?

The words in Daniel 12 have nothing to do with the dream recorded back in chapter 4. They only applied to the last series of visions he had from chapter 10 on. That Daniel understood the dream of Nebuchadnezzar is seen from the fact that he interpreted it for him: "this is the interpretation, O king....." he says in 4:24, and what is the interpretation he gives? Is it about the times of the gentiles? Does he say the tree represents God's kingdom? No, he says, "The tree that you beheld, that grew great and became strong and the height of which finally reached the heavens and which was visible to all the earth, 21 and the foliage of which was fair, and the fruit of which was abundant, and on which there was food for all; under which the beasts of the field would dwell, and on the boughs of which the birds of the heavens would reside, 22 it is you, O king, because you have grown great and become strong, and your grandeur has grown great and reached to the heavens, and your rulership to the extremity of the earth." 4:20-22 NWT

What does the WT say Nebuchadnezzar represents?

Daniel's Prophesy p94 Para. 24: "As represented by the great tree, Nebuchadnezzar symbolized world rulership. "

If in the first fulfillment Daniel plainly states that the tree represents Nebuchadnezzar, so, in order to be at least consistent, shouldn't the second fulfillment require that the tree and Nebuchadnezzar represent the same thing?

Daniel clearly stated that the tree represented Nebuchadnezzar. In the final fulfillment both of them must represent the same thing and if you say Nebuchadnezzar represented worldly government ruling from 607 to 1914, how is it that during the seven times of the fulfillment of this prophecy as recorded in the Bible, Nebuchadnezzar was not ruling?

How could Nebuchadnezzar represent the ruling world powers when he was taken off his throne during the seven times?

Also, everyone knows that Jerusalem wasn't overthrown by Babylon in the year 607 BCE. Nebuchadnezzar didn't even become king until 605 BCE, so how could he conquer Jerusalem two years before he became king? These are absolute dates you can find in any and every reference work on the subject: Babylon conquered Israel in 587/6 BCE. So, if we were to accept everything else about the WT interpretation of Daniel, we would end up with the date 1934 instead of 1914, but either date is ridiculous because we can all see that the gentile powers are still ruling!

Merry Christmas all

Black Sheep

Maverick

I can see why the WTS want to pump this drivel into the Dubs heads again. Their claim to understand when the End-Times would occur is fundamental to show they alone have Gods backing. They base this suppossed understanding on the book of Daniel. Without the formula of year for a day and their claim of 607BCE they have nothing. Even though that date has been proved wrong, and their use of a year for a day has zero validation, if they speak fiction with conviction long enough them they need to fool stay stupid! Mav

Room 215

How out of touch are these old fools? Their boundless arrogance isolates them from any feedback from the locals; already, a collective groan is going up from the masses. Their intransigence is going to be their undoing.

GermanXJW

I ceased attending the CBS during the last time they went thru the Daniel-book.
It was just "Your Will Be Done"-Revisited. I could not stand it any longer and in the end stopped going to any meetings.

RunningMan

Wow, is it ever refreshing to know that I won't have to sit through that.

As for Daniel, here is a primer on the real story. The book of Daniel was written around 150-300 BC. It was written by a Jewish nationalist who wrote a prophecy after the fact, predicting all of the events from 550BC to 300BC with remarkable accuracy, for the purpose of encouraging Jewish sentiment. It was attributed to an ancient worthy (Daniel), who in reality, lived long prior to the Babylonian exile, and never saw the place. The book is now the foundation of the only unique doctrines held by the WTBTS.

eyeslice

At least it is better than the Isaiah book(s). What a chore that was!

daniels prophecy, to be studied next year? More self glorification

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