Neutrality of the WT (page 2)

upside/down

Just curious... How is it "bashing" if it's TRUE. The World Wars are great examples of the failure of organized religion to instill true christian values in their members.

The fact that the Dubs sat back and did nothing on the other hand is a valid point. In one town in the midwest were I "served" the Dubs's did more than nothing. While everyone elses kids were off fighting the war a certain Dub family made $$$ and bought up all the land in the area. To this day the whole town and surrounding area HATES JW's!!!

How's that for being neutral?

u/d

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Parousia never came and will never come.

I do not agree!

Sabrina

metatron

A little known fact: The Nazis intended to use Witnesses to expand their empire. Himmler believed that Witnesses

should eventually be shipped out to Slavic lands to convert/pacify the local population and make them easier to control!

This is how "neutrality" can backfire when great evil is encountered.

metatron

Mary

How is it "bashing" if it's TRUE. The World Wars are great examples of the failure of organized religion to instill true christian values in their members.

OK, so where would we be today, if American and her allies had not fought Hitler? What if they had sat back and remained "neutral"? What would have happened?? Think you and I would be sitting here today??

The fact that the Dubs sat back and did nothing on the other hand is a valid point. In one town in the midwest were I "served" the Dubs's did more than nothing. While everyone elses kids were off fighting the war a certain Dub family made $$$ and bought up all the land in the area. To this day the whole town and surrounding area HATES JW's!!!

And your point is what? The Witnesses sat back, refused to fight for their country, but today, they never hesitate to whine about their "Rights" and their "Freedom of Religion"----something they weren't willing to fight for, but boy oh boy, do they ever like the benefits of it.

Buster

There are at least two major issues here: Can a war be just? Can a Christian participate in a just war?

Of course a war, one side anyway, can be just. (WWII being the best modern example) But even then, in a just war, evil things are done by both sides, by leaders and grunts alike. I don't think that is enough reason to stay out of it.

I think a good Christian can participate in a just war. I brought this up among JW friends back in the 70s: Suppose some criminal(s) invaded your house. Would you not feel justified in fighting back, justified in using any means necessary and available? Wouldn't you welcome some help from your next-door neighbor to repel the home invaders? (And don't anybody answer that you wouldn't.) Now, add a few more invaders and I'ld bet you'ld be willing to accept help from a few more neighbors ... and so on ... and so on.

upside/down

And that's exacly how the "christians" whos fought for the Nazi's reasoned!

upside/down

How limiting to take a viewpoint of being an American. What do you think the people in Communist China (Russia or any number of oppresive countries) who fought against the commies feel. They fought for what they felt was right and LOST. They live in that oppresive environment. Does that change the reality of "Gods" promise in regards to them?

Where is it written we would all be free and that the "good guys" would always win? So what if the Nazi's would have won, it wouldn't change what is right. Remember tyranical governments NEVER last, and have always existed. Human nature won't allow for it. There is always someone willing to fight. But like it or not the "Chrisitan" cause early on NEVER got involved in secular fightts. I guess one could argue that I do support WHATEVER land I live in good or bad, just by paying taxes and being a good citizen and making their system work.

The age old question- What would Jesus do? Hmmm.

u/d

Buster

u/d -

Spend a little more time with that 'so what' statement.

If I hear you correclty, if the Nazi's had won ... "so what?"' If they had gotten into the rest of Europe and found the escaped Jews, then put them into camps and worked/starved them to death ... "so what?" If the United States hadn't been the industrial juggernaut. If good, free people stood around and did nothing while the Nazi's invaded our shores and rounded up people that they decided were sub-human ..."so what?"

"Tyrannical govenments never last"? - Oh sure, this tyrannical government would have fallen within the next few centuries. A lot of good that would have done for you if Dr. Josef Mengele had decided to take your twins for his personal experiments. I wonder how much help you would have wanted from your neighbors then. I wonder how much you would have wished that someone had stopped them back in his home country.

Mary

Where is it written we would all be free and that the "good guys" would always win? So what if the Nazi's would have won, it wouldn't change what is right.

WTF?? "So what if the Nazi's won"??? Uh, so you don't see that it would have made any difference with the extermination of the additional 12 million Jews? Or gays? Or Witnesses? Or Gypsies?? You don't care that we would most certainly not be living in a free country and that anyone who challenged the Third Reich would be exterminated?? Give your head a shake...............

upside/down

I agree,

but the fact is, is that tyranical govenments HAVE won many times throughout history- the Roman Empire was one. Most governments have been tyranical actually. That's why they constantly change. The Nazi's just happen to be the poster boys of bad government. They were by no means the worst. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin (some would say GWB). So again I rest my case that if "God" was so concerned with all of this He would certainly give direction, which He seems to have given. Hey if you like to fight I hear The Marines are still looking for a few naive err. GOOD men!

The governments of the earth are all doing what they want, and if you think they are all the result of "good" peoples efforts on the battlefield you are seriously NAIVE. Tell that to my grandpa who fought in WW1 for Italy and watched ALL of his buddies from his town die for nothing(he was a good Catholic doing the RIGHT thing). Or my dad who fought in Korea at 17years old in the Marines and swears his buddies died for NOTHING! He "thought" he was doing the right thing- now he's bitter at a country that he "thought" was one thing turned out to be something else.

That's why a follower of Christ should probably refrain from nationalistic conflict, it's not our fight. That doesn't mean though that you don't have free will and if you FEEL compelled to help a particular cause that you can't!

u/d

Neutrality of the WT

Share this