Which Bullshistory would you choose?

Norm

As we know the Watchtower is chock full of incredible bullshit, here is some:

*** w03 2/15 pp. 5-6 Jehovah?A God Worth Knowing ***
Why Did It Happen?
When adversity strikes, the mind of the victim often focuses on one question: Why did it happen? The ability to cope emotionally with adversity hinges to a large degree upon getting a proper answer to that question. If no satisfactory answer is available, the suffering persists and the victim may become embittered. Take, for example, the experience of Bruni.

Bullshit-story 1

?Some years ago my baby girl died,? explains Bruni, now a middle-aged mother. ?I believed in God, so I sought comfort from the local priest. He told me that God had taken Susanne to heaven, where she was now an angel. Not only did the world around me collapse because of her death but I hated God for having taken her.? Bruni?s pain and suffering continued for several years.

Bullshit-story 2

?Then one of Jehovah?s Witnesses showed me from the Bible that I had no reason to hate God. Jehovah did not take Susanne to heaven, and she is not an angel. Her illness was the result of human imperfection. Susanne is sleeping in death, waiting for Jehovah to resurrect her. I also learned that he made humans to live forever on a paradise earth, and this will soon be realized. Once I began to understand what sort of person Jehovah really is, I drew closer to him, and my pain began to subside.??Psalm 37:29; Acts 24:15; Romans 5:12.

More Bullshit

Millions of people are affected by adversity in one form or another: personal tragedy, war, famine, or natural disaster. Bruni experienced relief once she saw from the Bible that Jehovah is not to blame for adversity, that he never purposed for mankind to suffer, and that he will soon put an end to evil. The very fact that wickedness is on the increase is a sign that we are currently living in ?the last days? of this system of things. The dramatic change for the better that we all long for is near at hand.?2 Timothy 3:1-5; Matthew 24:7, 8.

Isn't it fantastic how these superstitious people go around and blab about what's the "correct" idea of what goes on totally invisible to human beings? I mean one insane superstitious fantasy must be just as good as another insane superstitious fantasy. That's the whole purpose of insane superstitious claptrap, you can just make up something that suits your fancy. It is completely impossible to verify anyway, so why not dream up some real fancy bullshit? That God had taken the child to heaven isn't anymore ludicrous then the Watchtower version.

Norm

new light

I agree. It's all bullshit and no theory is any more provable than any other one. What kills me is when people get so wrapped up in their personal beliefs that they cannot even fathom that they might be wrong. They look down on people with different versions of bullshit and even get violent over it, which is a violation of pretty much every religion's ideals. We all have an "inner mystic" which is completely accessible just by living a life harmonious with our higher calling (conscience). Why do people ignore the conscience's proddings and then make it worse by getting wrapped up in fairy tales?

Justin

The JWs came along at a later stage of the mother's grief. So perhaps their explanation "worked" for her, whereas the priest's didn't because he was dealing with the immediate shock of loss. I don't think she was prepared to hear, "Your baby is dead. Just get on with your life."

Kenneson

She should have been pleased with the priest's remarks. He was telling her that her daughter had already made it to God. But the Jehovah's Witnesses told her she would have to wait until the resurrection. Is that any more consoling than the former?

upside/down

I don't know about you- but Norm, you say this is bullsh*t? I've seen this very scenario played out.

I've had that very experience- it wasn't a lie. Do you mean BS like it never happened that way or BS that what she was told by the Dubs was a "fairy tale"?

When someone loses someone in death (at that moment) does it really matter where that person is? Jesus had an emotional reaction when his friend died, knowing full well the "truth" of the matter. A loss is a loss. I've seen many a Dub wail at a funeral, that's normal.To be elated and happy IS NOT NORMAL. That's what helps show that death is un-natural. I used to be an altar-boy growing up and "served" many a funeral- I never saw a happy person. The profound loss of a loved one was rather crushing to most I saw.

You can't "intellectualize" death. It hurts no matter who you are. That's partly why all cultures condemn murder or wrongful death.

I guess maybe another thing I think about is... If a certain belief makes a person FEEL better (whether heaven, "higher consciousness" or in the grave) why not let them have it? Their belief doesn't change reality. It just makes them FEEL better. What's wrong with feeling better at this worst of times? Find of like a placebo- if it works, let it go. I know many people that live in a false make believe world in their mind and refuse to believe or even look at anything "painful", it's a warm fuzzy, lollipop world filled with butterflies. I'm NOTHING like that, but it works for them. They live in a non-reality- but so what. Sooner or later they will have to face life and I'll be there for them. Maybe I could use some of that in my life as I tend to be a realist, and it can be very DEPRESSING! Balance and love for my fellow man, tells me above all else to be respectful and nice to peoples heartfelt "beliefs", especially in times of grief- and besides it's good manners.

I don't see the Dub's BS, as you put it, any more far fetched than "higher consciousness/ inner mystic" stuff, which I could consider just as much BS. If it works, USE it. One thing I think we can all agree on is that someday we wil all know who's been right! And it won't really matter.

respectfully,

u/d

frankiespeakin

U/D,

I don't see the Dub's BS, as you put it, any more far fetched than "higher consciousness/ inner mystic" stuff, which I could consider just as much BS. If it works, USE it. One thing I think we can all agree on is that someday we wil all know who's been right! And it won't really matter. respectfully,

You may be right it! It don't really matter who is right. And that is the mystery of it,,it is the mystery of it that moves some to explore it. Do you like a good mystery??

upside/down

Love one!

Gill

The thing is it does matter that a person knows that its possible for religion to be weaving lies for them to believe in because it affects their actions in everyday life.

A relative's husband died suddenly of cancer. She would not clear out his clothes or move house or change anything because they had made a pact that as soon as he was resurrected from the cemetery down the road he would make his way to their house and she would be waiting for him. Because of her JW beliefs she thought that they must have done something wrong for him to die like that, not enough meetings, not enough hours, not enough praying.

When she was told she was dying, she could not accept it and began to suffer from terrible unfathomable or even untreatable anxiety. What had she done wrong? Why her? She'd been to all the meetings, field service, assemblys, etc. She could not reconcile herself to death. Why me? Why me? What's going to happen to me? What's going to happen to me? Why? On and on...

The bull shit matters.

What was worst was that she was heartbroken because of JW doctrine that she would not be able to call her husband her husband again, in the new system.

Her death was a more terrible tragedy because of the bull shit she believed in.

Damn the WTBTS for fabricating this crap!

Norm

Hello u/d

You said:

I don't see the Dub's BS, as you put it, any more far fetched than "higher consciousness/ inner mystic" stuff, which I could consider just as much BS. If it works, USE it. One thing I think we can all agree on is that someday we wil all know who's been right! And it won't really matter.
respectfully,
u/d

I think you slightly misunderstand. No one can tell anything about what's going on after death, no one know anything about that. When someone do present some kind of "explanation" and actually is insane enough to claim it is the only correct one, that's the bullshit. Of course people grieve and is upset by losing a loved one, of course we wish to see the loved one again, of couse we wish it didn't have to happen, but people die and NO ONE know anything about the hereafter, when someone claim they do, that's bullshit.

Norm

upside/down

Gill, you state "bullsh*t matters".

Well the Dubs aren't the only ones who are ABSOLUTE in their beliefs. Tell that to all the Asians who believe in ancestor worship and live in FEAR of displeasing them. I was Catholic, and the Church's OFFICIAL teaching is that all non-Catholics are going to hell, or if they are lucky they can suffer in purgatory for god knows how long and suffer enough till they've paid for their sins. Your "bias" against the Dubs is shining through any reasonableness.

It's too easy to hate the Dub doctrines, but they are by far not the only nutty or "absolute" faith out there. ALL ORGANIZED RELIGION is like this to one degree or another!

Norm- I find the example of the Dub family mentioned real (I experienced the same thing witha family), but that was their kooky thing. They were weird people (even without the "truth"). Again I thought it was stupid, but that was "their thing". The Dub's as an org. didn't advocate such bizarre behaviour. And as mentioned previously, they had to face REALITY eventually, and I was there for them.

I still find the Dub doctrine far more satisfying (even if it's wrong/no one knows) than blaming God for needing another angel or some other "blame game", "God" dishonoring mumbo jumbo.

I just hate to see people suffer..

u/d

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