Jehovah's Witness Refute: Refuted? Yes!

by ColdRedRain 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • ColdRedRain
    ColdRedRain

    http://watchtower.virtue.nu/index_en.htm

    Post your refutations in this thread

    I'm refuting the UN issue.

    The Watchtower Society and the United Nations
    The accusation
    An article in The Guardian of October 8th 2001 gave quite a stir (the article can be read here). From the article it appeared the Watchtower Society was at least 10 years a member of the United Nations as a NGO (Non Governmental Organisation). To verify the validity of the article, many questions were posed at the United Nations, which lead to the publication of an official press-release in which they confirmed the facts as mentioned in the article of The Guardian. This press-release can be read here.

    For admittance as a NGO an organisation had to meet certain criteria, like: "NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the United Nations". See also the letter from the United Nations on this subject on this site or the official site of the United Nations.

    The reason for the questions being asked was as follows: thorough studies of especially the Biblebooks Daniel and Revelation show clearly to Jehovah's Witnesses the UN serve as surrogate for God's Kingdom and therefore distract from the real Kingdom. Although it is beyond the scope of this article to set forth the complete prophetic application, we believe the United Nations can be identified as the "wild beast" in Revelation 17:3.

    Although the response of the Watchtower Society concerning the membership of the United Nations came soon, most were not satisfied with the answer that can be read here. In the press-release by the Society, it states the reason for membership was the use of the library-facilities of the United Nations, of course referring to the editors of our magazines The Watchtower and Awake! Unfortunately it appeares the library also could be used without membership, albeit under certain conditions that van be read here at the site of the United Nations. Probably, the brothers were not aware of this.

    To prepare the elders to respond properly to questions by our brothers and sisters, the Society sent out this letter to all service-comittees. This letter is also the basis of our defence.

    The refutation
    It is clear that membership of the United Nations under the applicable conditions is not appropriate for the Society. As soon as the membership and its conditions became public, the brothers took steps and cancelled the membership of the Society!

    Which is clearly an admittance of guilt. And why did it take them 10 years to realise they were thought of as an NGO? Maybe because they didn't really care?

    The question is to what extent the Society really supported the charter of the United Nations. We think this is not the case at all. What should have been their actual support then?
    Perhaps this is a case of the notorious "small print". The might for instance have been a brother that needed some material that only could be found in the library of the United Nations. What could be more simple than filling out some forms and becoming member of the library without realising this also meant membership of the complete organisation? How often did you read all conditions of insurances or certain purchases?

    So what you're saying is that a person who is TRAINED to sign documents missed that little fine print that says "Becomming an NGO will in effect, make you a member of the UN." Not to mention that the WT is in the same city as the UN. They could have asked around about getting a library card instead of becomming a full fledged NGO.

    We think there should not be read more into the membership than access to the library.

    Why? It might be embarrassing to your church?

    We think all insinuations - like the more positive approach of the United Nations in the publications (like in Awake! of November 22nd 1998, page 3-5) as part of a deal to be permitted membership - lack every ground.

    Hey, where there's smoke there's something hot.

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Theocratic lying strategy - it should be renamed from The Truth to The lie

  • Gill
    Gill

    The UN membership scandal is still not widely known among the rank and file. Whether they would even choose to believe it is another matter and since they don't want to risk dying at Armageddon they find reasons to excuse the WTBTS.

    I too used to be such an ass!

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    CRR I didn't understand were you refuting for or against what the WTS got caught doing?

    It seemed like you were refuting that the WTS was guilty as charged, but the info supplied seemed to point to the opposite.

    just wonderin...

    u/d

  • Valis
    Valis

    Eh thanks to Eman for this great thread!

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/82848/1.ashx

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • OldSoul
    OldSoul
    The UN membership scandal is still not widely known among the rank and file. Whether they would even choose to believe it is another matter and since they don't want to risk dying at Armageddon they find reasons to excuse the WTBTS.

    It's the Overlord Body ... er, um ... "Governing" Body masquerading as the Faithful and Discreet Slave that the rank and file have so much trouble seriously questioning. IMO, it has little to do with fear of Armageddon and much to with conditioned response: If the FDS = Jehovah's Channel, and the GB speaks for the FDS, and Jehovah CANNOT lie, then the GB CANNOT lie because they speak for Jehovah. They might make a mistake in ignorance, but they CANNOT lie.

    To start questioning that article of credulity strips away all the layers of foundational conditioning that have been laid, raising the frightful specter of needing to ACTUALLY test whether they are in the faith. They like to think that Paul meant that in a figurative way. "If the NGO thing is true," they might momentarily consider, "everything I have believed may be rife with lies or at least half-truths." That reality is too harsh for the majority because it would make them feel like dupes and fools. Most people like to feel smart, different, special, and better than other people. Few people are courageous enough to admit to having been fooled. Only those who approach like a child...

    Respectfully,
    OldSoul

  • ColdRedRain
    ColdRedRain
    It seemed like you were refuting that the WTS was guilty as charged, but the info supplied seemed to point to the opposite.

    I'm refuting the information given by the site I quoted, hence the mixup.

  • eyeslice
    eyeslice

    Interesting site.

    I wonder if the official JW website will be putting a link to it.

    Eyeslice

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    The Watchtower Society's claim that they didn't know all of the conditions for being an Associated Non-Governmental Organization is a blatant lie. The proof is that, even before being accepted for membership in 1992, the Society tooks steps to fulfill the condition that applicants had to demonstrate that their publications supported various UN goals. This was done in a series of articles on the UN in the September 8, 1991 Awake!, where to a non-JW, the articles seemed to heap praise on the UN and state that the JWs most definitely support the UN's goals. So, while it can be argued that the doublespeak in the article could be understood by a JW as a type of "theocratic warfare", the fact that the Watchtower appeared to compromise in the eyes of non-JWs proves the Society's intent to deceive UN authorities. Of course, a number of articles were published in succeeding years in order to fulfill the UN's condition that NGO's submit proof every year of their committment to UN goals.

    AlanF

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    BTW...Beware of this website if you use IE. It tries to maliciously instal spyware on computers running IE. Use Firefox instead if you want to read that site.

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