He definitely would not...which is one of my main gripes with the J-Maniacs...."He who is without sin, cast the first stone"....Jesus accepted everyone.....because He was the example of God's love....unconditional......
Would Jesus shun anyone?
by JH 29 Replies latest jw friends
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Sunspot
**The most offensive sins in Gods sight are pride arrogance and a spirit of condemnation. The religious people in christs time said' this man receives sinners'
Barry,
Absolutely! What a great way of putting it in the right perspective.
hugs,
Annie
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Tashawaa
Even Satan couldn't mislead Jesus, so of course no man could, therefore he had nothing to fear and could not be mislead by bad associations.
Men on the other hand, are not Jesus, and can be mislead, hence shunning to keep the congregation safe.
dh - I see your point, how a JW might respond.... BUT being the 'poztate that I am, I'd respond...
Jesus was the "equal" or "equivalent" of Adam. Adam was mislead by association, his wife Eve, and she was decieved by Satan. Therefore, "perfect" people can be influenced by their association. Jesus still would have had to watch his association, and he was tempted many times, even by his disciple's words. So the fact that the bible records Jesus as associating with sinners has nothing to do with the fact that he couldn't be mislead... he could have. His choice to associate with the despised was recorded as an example of compassion. As he said "a doctor goes to the sick" (paraphrase).
The Pharisee's and jewish nation had the same set-up of df'ing. They couldn't put someone to death by stoning due to the Roman Law, so they had them removed from the synagogue. Jesus sought out these shunned ones and associated with them.
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gumby
Jesus said....If your brother commits a sin against you, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone, if he listens to you, you gained your brother......blah blah blah...if he doesn't listen to even the congregation, then let him be to you as a tax collector and a man of the nations.
Did jesus shun tax collectors and people of the nations? If you can find from the scriptures or anywhere else that he did....then you could say "yes, jesus would shun".
Gumby
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Mary
Jesus isn't the one who introduced shunning; we have Paul-the-Born-Again-Fanatic to thank for that. Jesus went out of his way to speak and eat with those that the Pharisees shunned......ironic eh? If a Witness ate with someone who the WTS has disfellowshipped, they'll treat you just like the Pharisees treated Jesus: with contempt and they'll seek a way to destroy your life.
Paul also had a lousy view towards women; Jesus was quite liberal minded for those days. Jesus tried simplifying the way they should live with basic, simple guidelines. Paul simply re-introduced many of the man made laws he carried over from his days as a Pharisee.
All in all, most Christian churches, from Dubs to Catholics, do not follow Jesus' teachings; they follow Pauls.
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gumby
All in all, most Christian churches, from Dubs to Catholics, do not follow Jesus' teachings; they follow Pauls.
Mary, that's cuz people who smoke, drink, do drugs, have sex before marriage, and cheat on their taxes, ain't goin to heaven. Paul figured since they ain't gonna be there.......ya might as well shun the poor bastards. Jesus figured ya might just give up that stuff one a these days and have a fighting chance.
Gumby
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peggy
Every one of your replies made a difference for me! It was well thought out reasoning! Thank You!
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The JellyBaby
Remember the good Samaritan story...
Now, what if a situation arises where a D'flwsp individual is a victim of an assault in the street, or involved in a traffic incident. The next person to arrive at that scene is a current Jw...what do they do...walk past the injured party because it is a way of showing love?...to make them realize their mistake of turning from their 'brothers'!!!
Puurrrleeze!....Jesus didnt shun ANYONE!!...But the witnesses CAN???....Sort it out!!!
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gumby
JellyBaby,
The dubs DID allow humanitarian acts if a DFed one was in trouble. You could even help an old crippled sister fix a flat tire on her way to the Kingdom Hall even if she was disfellowshipped!!!! See..,...they ain't so bad!
Gumby
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blondie
This used to be the WTS position.
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w74 8/1 p. 467 Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones ***5
Congregational elders, as well as individual members of a congregation, therefore, ought to guard against developing an attitude approaching that which some Jewish rabbinical writers fomented toward Gentiles in viewing them as virtual enemies. It is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way. As noted earlier, some rabbinical writings held that, even if in peril of death, no assistance should be extended to Gentiles. Suppose, then, a member of a Christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat. Could the Christian ignore that one?s peril, row away and feel free from guilt before God?inasmuch as the one in danger of drowning was disfellowshiped, viewed as "a man of the nations"? Certainly not. That would be cruel and inhumane. We cannot imagine Christ Jesus doing so; nor would any other Jew of the first century who had a balanced viewpoint have reacted that way toward a Gentile or a tax collector in such a plight.
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But consider a less extreme situation. What if a woman who had been disfellowshiped were to attend a congregational meeting and upon leaving the hall found that her car, parked nearby, had developed a flat tire? Should the male members of the congregation, seeing her plight, refuse to aid her, perhaps leaving it up to some worldly person to come along and do so? This too would be needlessly unkind and inhumane. Yet situations just like this have developed, perhaps in all good conscience, yet due to a lack of balance in viewpoint.
