by Amazing1914 35 Replies latest jw friends
What stood out to me about the article is the huge date range (1,300 to 3,000 ya) which is a pretty good sign of the unreliability of the vanillin dating. Here is an interesting critique on why there is such a date range and how the vanillin loss could have occurred on a medieval cloth:
http://www.hypotyposeis.org/weblog/2005/01/what-about-shroud.html
I always liked the Theory that it made by Leonardo da Vinci - the image actually being himself
This is the one that's always made the most sense to me.
Mkr32208,
1 Cor. 11:4 The objection to men with long hair seems to be against homosexual men who grew their hair long in order to dress it elaborately. However, it could not have referred to all men with long hair. Paul, himself, having taken a Nazirite vow (see Numbers 6:18) once had long hair. See Acts 18:18 and 21:23-24. Once the temporary vow was over, they cut their hair. Samson, however, appears to have taken a permanent vow. See Judges 13:5,7; 16:17.
Big Tex,
"I always liked the Theory that it was made by Leonardo da Vinci--the image actually being himself."
Impossible!
"The 4m-long linen sheet was damaged in several fires since its existence was first recorded in France in 1357, including a blaze in 1532." "...first recorded in...1357."
Leonardo was born in 1452 and died in 1519.
'Blood Stains' on the Shroud are not blood. The findings of Walter McCrone an analytic chemist claims that the "Blood" was made of artist's pigments.
In addittion, the different accounts in the Gospels suggest that Jesus was washed and anointed as was the custom of the Jews, is difficult to reconcile with the claim that the Shroud showed blood stains.
:"Here is a little experiment in artistic relief reproduction for you. Put some theatrical face paint on your face. Cover your entire face all the way back to your ears. Then take a white cloth and press it against your face so it transfers the face paint to the cloth. Then unwrap it to see how it spreads and distorts the image of your face horizontally. Then look at the undistorted face image on the shroud and explain how the image could be transferred without any distortion.
The age of the cloth is irrelevant. The image, as a relief transfer is impossible"
Oh please Dave, this is easy to explain. The great apostacy had Jesus spinning in his grave, while the shroud obvously got snagged on a rock or something, causing an effect similar to a primitive drum scan. This is no flatdeathbed conversion we're talking about here.
The other theory is that it is not an image of Christ but of a Knight Templar -- Bernard somebody from the Middle Ages
A recent TV special on the Shroud of Turin showed how anyone can make their own Shroud. Simply get pretty dirty doing yardwork, or by failing to bathe for a while, then exercise for a few hours to get really, really sweaty. Wrap yourself in a clean linen sheet and remain motionless for 12 to 24 hours, allowing your perspiration and skin oiis to permeate the fabric. Remain motionless. After the fabric has absorbed your fluids, allow the stains to set for a few days/months/years and never allow it to be washed. You now have your own Shroud! The special actually showed someone do this, and the result was passable. They also showed someone make a primitive "photograph" using a camera obscura (a room with a tiny pinhole in one wall), plus a body hanging on a rope and a specially saturated linen on the wall as "film". This also worked passably well. The special also mentioned how the existence of the Shroud apparantly was unknown until the 1300's
The Shroud is a hoax, plain and simple and the face resembles John Lennon more than it does Jesus of Nazareth.
Yes well John Lennon was almost equal to Christ in my opinion anyway
