Dun
Welcome to this site- after thinking about it for awhile and reading through all 7 pages I have come to the conclusion that actually it is a good thing that you have chosen to use some pretty large words on these threads-
While I in noway understood half of what you have written-- I am IMPRESSED- I started thinking-- Where would a person like this fit into WT World esp if you are a male
As I mentioned I would in no way challenge you along the lines of going tip for tap on the use of big words- but there is one thing I do know and know very well being a Former Society Man
And that is how you would fit or should I say not fit in WT World
Since "Advanced" education has never been a strong feature among jw as an organization and esp those who venture into the area of "Philosophy" I sat here smiling as I read your post
You see I come to this board from an entirely different angle than most- I rarely ever argue or debate here – as I stated from the first day I came here – I've spent 30yrs arguing over whether Jesus died on a "Lightpole or Telephone Pole" so BEEN THERE DONE THAT
I'm thinking to myself being a former Society Man what would happen if he used these types of words on the School or in one of his service meeting parts or perhaps the public talk- and Lord have mercy if he were to use these words in his talk at the Circuit or District convention – I could just see you Quoting one of these "Wordly Men" in a comment during the WT Study- the friends or should I say YOUR Friends would just look at you out the corner of their eye- how sad
What would happen to him – how would he be viewed
You see the WT org has always prided itself on BEING DIFFERENT FROM other religions including manner and way in which speakers give talks
I recall Carey Barber one morning at bethel breakfast Dogging the priest for doing the services in LATIN- he made the point that in some poor ignorant country where the avg education was less than the 5th grade the members would be impressed but wouldn't understand a thing
So I'm thinking to myself if you were to avg the education of 6 million + jw would it come out to be about 7th grade- so I keep asking myself --where would "dun" FIT IN AMONG such a group
HE WOULD NOT-
so I've come to the conclusion that you too are another OUTCAST from your Hall-
we seem to have guys like you coming here vry often and I can understand why – for at least you get some Mental exercise
You appear to be very intelligent , well educated but among your "Circle" aka jw - you are Dirt
In fact you would be viewed as being "Spirtually Weak" proud even perhaps- and why
Just because you had a desire to learn some words a little larger and deeper than what is found in the WT mags- how sad for a religion to dog a man such as you merely because you learned material from a souce that they didn't say it was OK too – so sad
OF COURSE I thought perhaps he would not use such words around the friends, but I recall when my wife and I started by going to college- the mental challenge that advanced education promotes is so exciting that you need as the bible says IRON TO SHARPEN IRON
And as someone else had commented --it has got to feel good to be able to dialog with guys and gals who can go tip for tap even if you don't agree with them
I recall some of the debates in some of the college classes we took last yr – afterward even though you didn't agree with the guy you became friends cause you both could think on the same level
Well all of us here know that the level you are operating on simply is not found in a Kingdom Hall.
I dare say if you can count 10 folks in your circuit who could carry on the conversation that has been going on here.
While I see many others here Dogging you as it were for ducking this issue or that issue
I don't much fault you – if someone was throwing a brick at my head I would duck too
But I actually feel SORRY FOR YOU-- let's look at SOME FACTS:
You belong to a organization that has told you, directed you , forbidden you under penalty of Dfing for merely being here, in fact the same org that you defend so sincerely would shaft you --if you were caught here, and why
Well according to the mouth pc of GOD the FDS to hang out with Apostates is a direct violation of the Word of God, but as we can see YOU ARE HERE
Now here comes the kicker:
For a person who belongs to such "Closed " org with no Open Freedom in this area of being able to hang out with the dfed, DA, apostates to then come to the very forum that he is BANNED from and to ask
" IS THERE ANY FREEDOM HERE" is truly sad
So like I mentioned-- for me-- I feel sorry for YOU guy
Just imagine folks if this thread with all his comments were cut and pasted and sent to his CO his A$$ would be Grass
So sad indeed FOR HERE WE have a man perhaps who appears to enjoy digging into the deeper things of learning would be COMPLETELY shut down and classed as unspiritual merely because of his desire to learn- now that is so sad when you belong to a RELIGION that treat you like that
You see DUN what you and many others fail to realize is that you are not dialoging with bible studies---many of us here not only Enforced WT rules, policies and regulations we help create them due to where were served in this Org.
There are many of us here who know Org procedures like THE BACK OF YOUR HAND-
BUT I WILL pose 2 questions to you and they both are related to the WT stance on matters
1. Are you serving as an elder?
I will even tell you why I ask – according to the WT head spokesman my boy JR Brown this is a quote --the Official position on what is says about those male members who hold no titles:
Paducah Sun 1-28-01
"because of the church's structure, the fact that such a
member, if male, who would have fewer rights in the congregation, would not be serving in a leadership role would alert members that "he obviously lacks spiritual maturity."
You see I asked "Where would a man like yourself fit into WT?"-- I just wanted to know if you fit
2. Do you agree with this statement from the FDS about "Harboring Private understandings of the bible"
Aug 1- 2001
First, since “oneness” is to be observed, a mature Christian must be in unity and full harmony with fellow believers as far as faith and knowledge are concerned. He does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and “the faithful and discreet slave.”
Thanks
James