When you die, I suspect you wake up crying

by IronGland 27 Replies latest jw friends

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  ColdRedRain

  Valedictorian and there are many good explanations for "Demon" attacks.

  4 thousand years ago, people had epilepsy, schizophrenia and other neurological diseases. Or sometimes, they simply heard voices from places they couldn't pinpoint, or it was science that was beyond their knowledge (I.E. Cosmology, Geology, Meterology.) People didn't know these things because of a lack of science and reason.

  Today, we have these sciences, but groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses generally are ignorant of these sciences, due to the fact that many are poorly educated. JW's weren't encouraged to go to college until about a decade ago, not to mention most of them were homeschooled by parents that simply weren't smart enough to teach them.

  And sometimes, completley intelligent people, wanting to belong to a group will ignore the reasonable and blame mysterious things on "Demons" rather than think there's a rather scientific, but rare occasion that happened.

  Cases in point, when computers first got sound cards, the computer my grandmother bought played a wav file on startup. She thought the computer was "demonized" until I explained to her the science of digital sound.

  I thought many things were demonized too, until I thought of scientific explanations. Like I used to go into fits of screaming and swearing. I personally thought I was demonized.

  Later in my life, it turned out that I had a neurological disorder. There ain't no such things as deeminz.
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  ColdRedRain

  Another vision of death is this. Your body itself will always still exist in the space-time area you exist in, but the electrochemical reactions that cause your conciousness, which puts your body into motion is finite. It's like having one of those old Palm Pilots. The kind that needed batteries. The batteries ran out and the Palm Pilot's contents are deleted. Sure, you can put new batteries in, but if you don't do that in time, the information is gone forever, but the palm pilot still exists, but the information's still gone.
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  IronGland

  I failed miserably in explaining my thoughts in my post.
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  PaNiCAtTaCk

  I assure you my parents are smarter than a .wav file on startup. When both parents are attacked at the same time by a demon or demons with the bed flying across the room and pictures ect. on the wall being thrown around the room at the same time it gos beyone mental problems. They had to leave the motel at 3 in the morning and find another place. This is beyond smurf roomers ect. If you choose not to believe in a God than thats your choice. Plus I understand that you dont know me or my parents so the story loses credibility. Personally, I dont need a demon experience to believe in God, his work is obviously around us in all the creations that we see. I can understand someone losing faith in an organization that has had numerous false prophecies but its hard for me to imagine someone losing faith in a God and relying on man and science. I appreciate your thoughts. Thanks
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  Siddhashunyata

  IronGland are you saying that "all that is " exists as an eternal (timeless non moving ) tapestry (so to speak)?
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  ballistic

  Iron gland, I'm just about to crash, however, when you say the passing of time does not turn the present into the future, in one sense you are wrong. Because there is not a duplicate brain produced every millisecond or whatever time frame you choose. Your brain constantly changes and you are only able to experience conciousness at one instant of time. What has gone before is wiped out just as in your example of a chemical reaction, substances change their nature as time progresses, all due to the fact we live in a universe which has a clear direction of time which can only be experienced in a serial manner as if traveling. This is built into the laws of the universe.
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  frankiespeakin

  Iron,

  Let's put these facts together with the reality of death. We die; we're gone. What happens?
  
  We wake up as squawling newborn babies.
  
  The reason is simple: We occupy a certain region of spacetime; that region never goes away (Fact 1), is never ground by time's grounder into oblivion, as time is a location, not a process (Fact 2).
  
  Of course, we do not remember our future, and our future is the same as it ever was or ever will be. The same life events within the same space-time

  Interesting speculation. Since time does not pass away or is not a process as you say. I alway have a very hard time with time and trying to grasp or think what it is.

  I read some that the present only last for a very brief lenght and then it is past,,but that sound so paradoxical,,I don't know if we limited creatures with our conceptual working minds can ever conceptualize time accurately.

  But your point about what happens when we die :" We wake up as squawling newborn babies".

  Could be happening all the time not just after we die.
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  wednesday

  What program are a lot of u using to get the red fonts in the text? I really like it. wait, now i have red fonts in my text.

  As far as this subject, I have always thought the resurrection was difficult to be. It requires a lot of faith, as it truly is a mystery, as much as the trinity.

  weds

  well i had red fonts while i was typing but when i submitted it, poof they are gone.
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  darkuncle29

  4 thousand years ago, people had epilepsy, schizophrenia and other neurological diseases. Or sometimes, they simply heard voices from places they couldn't pinpoint, or it was science that was beyond their knowledge (I.E. Cosmology, Geology, Meterology.) People didn't know these things because of a lack of science and reason.

  Science has become the new "Religion". Scientists like to forget the fact that 500 years ago, the best of them taught that the earth was flat. And they would kill you to prove it, or at leat publicly humiliate you. So, all phenomenon are explainable by Science, and anything not fitting the paradigm is unworthy to be even mentioned or questioned? What fitting homage to the infallable Dogma of "The Scientific Method".

  Another vision of death is this. Your body itself will always still exist in the space-time area you exist in, but the electrochemical reactions that cause your conciousness, which puts your body into motion is finite.

  So, our consciousness, our awareness of our self awareness, is the result of electrochemical reactions? Has this been proved scientifically? It can't be--proved or disproved. Just as the Newtonian laws of physics breakdown and become meaningless on the quantum level, the scientific method itself, breaks down; eventually it becomes an exercise in semantics and ego.

  I have been acused of being anti-science in the past, and I don't care. I actually love science and nature. I think that emotionally mature science, science without ego, is beautiful. It is OK to say, "I don't know."

  I got to go, my computer time is up.
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  Double Edge

  naaahhhhh.... I can't believe that I would spend all of this time trying to figure out the mysteries of life, just to "forever" close my peepers and wake up crying as a newborn .... and the purpose would be???