JW Disaster Relief - One of their biggest moneymakers?

by ithinkisee 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • No Apologies
    No Apologies
    Plus, when in the same country, there was a terrible disaster and many many brothers lost their homes, the WTS got funds fron NY and all the brothers got new homes, better ones than the ones that they lost. And, believe me none of them was insured. That is the honest truth.

    In many countries in Africa South america and Asia, the Society builts Kingdom Halls for free and provides disaster relief for free. Money is not their motivation. They might be wrong in many aspects, but not on this one.

    And you know this how? I have never heard of the Society building Kingdom Halls anywhere. And even if they did, I would not really consider that "charity". The disaster relief they provide is money/supplies that individual JWs contribute, so it doesn't really cost the Society much, they just pack it up and arrange for the items to be shipped.

    It's funny how the Society used to denigrate other groups and religions for their charitable works, now they are trying to make themselves look like such a caring generous organization. Its all PR spin.

    No Apologies

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    bookmarked

  • UU Now
    UU Now
    So, how exactly, is this NOT insurance fraud?

    It's shady on the part of the WT, I agree, but I don't see how it's insurance fraud. So long as the householder had a valid claim, the money is theirs and they can do anything they want with it, including giving it away.

  • 144001
    144001
    The only problems is you guys do not know where the money goes ,I do.

    You do? Are you sure about that? Have you reviewed the Watchtower's accounting books and records? I don't recall such records being made available to the rank and file during the time my parents forced me to attend meetings and sell magazines and books for the Watchtower. So if you haven't seen the Watchtower's accounting records -- their general and subsidiary ledgers, and reconciled the transactions recorded therein to the Watchtower's bank statements, you're relying on representations (claims) made by Watchtower officials as to where the money goes. And since you're apparently relying on their representations, you should consider the credibility of those who make such representations, the same folks who condemned the UN for many years and were recently exposed as being a member of it, and who have repeatedly made false predictions about the coming of Armageddon. You trust them to be truthful?

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    I was just asking about this last week. My sister volunteered with her husband and drove all the way from Idaho to New Orleans. She bragged about it endlessly and my dad, a staunch Catholic, even glowed when he talked about it to the rest of the family. I wish I had this info last week during that discussion. I'll bring it up at Christmas for sures though!

  • pratt1
    pratt1

    I work in the insurance industry, and depending on the circumstances, this would be considered insurance fraud.

    Here is the process.

    You get 3 estimates on the cost to repair your roof.

    The insurance company cuts you a check that will cover the cost of the roof. It will usually be an amount that is somewhere in between the most expensive and the least exoensive.

    If you did not submit a bid from the dubs (WWW) then you have basically lied to the insurance company about the amount needed to repair your roof and the company you would use.

    Most insurance companies only want you to use reputable contractors, who also have adquate insurance, so that if the repairs are faulty and you need to submit another claim because of the error or poor worksmanship of the contractor, your insurance company wants to have the option of"subrogating" or legally going after your contractor to pay them back the money they paid you to repair the roof.

    As the homeowner, you are obligated to get approval for the contractor you are using ( from the insurance company) to repair your property prior to the work being done. Some inusrance companies will waive this requirement because of the loss amount of the claim or because the are undated with calaims). That is why you are asked to submit estimates. They are not only evaulationg the price, but they are checking on the past work history of your contractor.

    If you are given a check for the amount needed to repair your property and you actually use considerable less to do the repairs, technically, you have received a profit from you accident/occurrence.

    The purpose of insurance is to put you back in the same position you were in prior to the accident, you should not be in a financially better position then you were prior to the accident.

    This is fraudulent, and is a crime.

    Any monies not used for the repair work, is considered a profit.

  • Watchtower-Free
  • Darth Fader The Sequel
  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    I wonder what the Watchtower Corporation book keeping looks like? Maybe we will see with this new Non Profit Revitalization Act now in effect which requires an independant audit. I also how this will change their Annual Business Meeting? It should be very interesting to see what takes place. http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/events/annual-meeting-report-2013/

    http://www.acc.com/chapters/gny/upload/EO-Report_Non-Profit-Revitalization-Act_July-2013_FINAL.pdf

    http://www.councilofnonprofits.org/nonprofit-audit-guide/what-is-independent-audit

    What is an independent audit?

    The terms “audit" or "audited financial statements” in this Nonprofit Audit Guide© refer to the work product resulting from the independent examination of a nonprofit’s financial records by a licensed certified public accountant (also referred to in this Guide as the “auditor,” or the "auditing firm").

    An independent audit is an examination of the financial records, accounts, business transactions, accounting practices, and internal controls of a charitable nonprofit by an "independent" auditor. "Independent" refers to the fact that the auditor/CPA is not an employee of the nonprofits but instead is retained through a contract for services, and hence is "independent." See YH Advisors' newsletter on Financial Audit Basics for a helpful overview of financial audits.

    During the independent audit, the auditor will review the organization’s financial statements to determine whether they adhere to “generally accepted accounting principles” (commonly referred to as “GAAP”). These accounting principles are created by the "Financial Accounting Standards Board," known as "FASB." While not law, these standards carry weight - when they are not followed, the auditors are required to note that in their report.

    The Auditors' Report

    FASB principles require the auditors to issue a report to the board of directors of the nonprofit expressing a professional opinion about the organization’s financial practices; specifically, whether the financial statements: “fairly present the financial position of the organization” without any inaccuracies or material misrepresentations.

    There are four types of reports that an auditor could issue: "Unqualified Opinion" (this is the type of audit you hope for); "Qualified Opinion" which signals that the auditors found one or two situations where the nonprofit is not following GAAP, or that the organization is following GAAP in most cases although perhaps not all, but overall there is not a material misstatement of any financial position(s); "Adverse Opinion" (which signals that the auditors found a material misstatement or that overall the organization is not conforming to GAAP); or a "Disclaimer of Opinion" report. Either one of the first two reports is preferable to either the adverse opinion or a disclaimer report. The Disclaimer report essentially signals: "Something prevented us from forming an opinion, therefore we refuse to do so."

    • Receiving an Adverse Opinion or Disclaimer of Opinion can have a serious negative impact on efforts to obtain funding for your organization.
    Cost

    The cost of an independent audit varies depending on the geographic region where the nonprofit is located and how large the organization is. Audit fees can exceed $20,000 for large nonprofits located in major urban areas. It is not unusual for an independent audit to cost $10,000, even for a small nonprofit.Because independent audits require a significant investment of resources, including staff time and board member volunteer time, there is a growing trend among smaller nonprofits to have a "remote audit" which means that the auditors conduct the audit without a site visit.

    As an alternative to an independent audit, auditors can provide either a financial statement review,” or a “compilation.” Neither a review nor a compilation are substitutes for an audit. If a third party has strict requirements that the nonprofit conduct an “audit,” a review or compilation will not satisfy that requirement. Nevertheless, nonprofits trying to manage costs should not be shy about asking whether the third party will accept a review in place of a full audit. The third-party (usually a funder) may understand the goal of cost savings and accept a review instead. Some nonprofits do not conduct an audit annually, but instead conduct one regularly every few years (or whenever there is a significant change in the organization’s operations). In the years when the nonprofit does not have an independent audit the nonprofit could elect to have its financial statements reviewed instead.

    We shall see

  • frankiespeakin

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit