National ID Cards

by RescueMe 27 Replies latest social current

  • RescueMe
    RescueMe

    The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic ID cards, including driver's licenses.

    Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.

    The measure, called the Real ID Act, says that driver's licenses and other ID cards must include a digital photograph, anticounterfeiting features and undefined "machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements" that could include a magnetic strip or RFID tag. The Department of Homeland Security would be charged with drafting the details of the regulation.

    States would be required to demand proof of the person's Social Security number and confirm that number with the Social Security Administration. They would also have to scan in documents showing the person's date of birth and immigration status, and create a massive store "so that the (scanned) images can be retained in electronic storage in a transferable format" permanently.

    Another portion of the bill says that states would be required to link their DMV databases if they wished to receive federal funds. Among the information that must be shared: All data fields printed on drivers' licenses and identification cards, and complete drivers' histories, including motor vehicle violations, suspensions and points on licenses.

    The Bush administration threw its weight behind the Real ID Act, which has been derided by some conservative and civil liberties groups as tantamount to a national ID card. The White House said in a statement this week that it "strongly supports House passage" of the bill.

    Civil libertarians and firearm rights groups condemned the bill before the vote. The American Civil Liberties Union likened the new rules to a "de facto national ID card," saying that the measure would force "states to deny driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants" and make DMV employees act as agents of the federal immigration service.

    Because an ID is required to purchase a firearm from a dealer, Gun Owners of America said the bill amounts to a "bureaucratic back door to implementation of a national ID card." The group warned that it would "empower the federal government to determine who can get a driver's license--and under what conditions."

    http://news.com.com/House+approves+electronic+ID+cards/2100-1028_3-5571898.html?part=rss&tag=5568415&subj=news.1028.5

    What say you? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Well I'm probably not going to be viewed as balanced here but. Yes it is a bad thing, but then I think government involvement in the private/noncommercial affairs of people is wrong. We don?t have freedom of travel as it is. You want to drive, you have to have a license, registered vehicle, state inspection. These things which once applied only to entities operating commerce, now apply to private citizens residents.

    These are laws of compulsion and a private citizen resident should not be compulsed to do anything that does not conflict with the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of other private citizens residents..

    IPSec

  • RescueMe
    RescueMe

    I happen to agree with you. I feel it's not needed.

  • Preston
    Preston

    The era of small government is over....

    National ID cards are not proper in a free society. Those who are willing to allow the government to establish a Soviet-style internal passport system because they think it will make us safer are terribly mistaken. This is America, not Soviet Russia. The federal government should never be allowed to demand papers from American citizens, and it certainly has no constitutional authority to do so. A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and transactions of every American. Domestic travel restrictions are the hallmark of authoritarian states, not free nations. It is just a matter of time until those who refuse to carry the new licenses will be denied the ability to do almost anything.

    - Preston (Homeland Security ID # 547684383747)

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    One suggestion I heard recently was to require fingerprints on our passports, and on file. THAT I like!

  • Little Red Hen
    Little Red Hen

    Calling all Legal Eagles! How can this 'national id card' be reconciled to the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights? http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment10/

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Also, how can it be reconciled to the ninth Amendment? http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment09/

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Can it or is it being justified by that pesky 'Elastic Clause'?http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/articles.html

    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
    Inquiring free minds want to know.
  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Bill of rights dont acutally apply to you unless you reserve them under the UCC 1-207 do they? The Constitution and Bill of rights as far as I understand have no jurisdiction over US citizens, only State Citizens. Right?

    IPSec

  • Little Red Hen
    Little Red Hen

    IP_SEC, the UCC applies to business and commerce.

    http://www.experian.com/business/public_records.html

    I believe the Bill of Rights applies to all US Citizens. The 14th amendment ( http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment14/ ) was added during Reconstruction,to define citizenship, and confer citizenship on the former slaves. In sec.1 the amendment defines a US Citizen (former negro slaves being given full citizenship), sec.2 affirms the rite to vote to all males (specifically to insure negro enfranchisement), sec.3 keeps former Confederate officials out of the Federal government, sec.4 forbids the Federal gvt. paying any debt owed by the Confederacy. Sec.5 gives Congress the power to enforce this amendment by appropriate legislation.

    Ironically, it was not untill 1920 that women were granted full citizenship by allowing them the vote. Even more ironic, Native Americans were not declared full citizens untill 1924.

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz

    Can you imagine the man power necessary to keep such a system up and running? We are already forking ove 40% of our GDP to run the govt, I can't imagine how much this will cost.

    Jean

  • roybatty
    roybatty
    "states to deny driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants"

    Is that a bad thing?

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