Why would you want to kill the org? (page 3)

Honesty

We don't have to want to because if they keep going down the path they are on God is going to.

:I almost joined the Socialist Workers Party a couple years after I left.

Not to sound mean, but that is your own psychological malfunction.. probably enhanced by being a Jehovah's Witness. That sort of thing doesn't make it any less of a destructive cult.

what_Truth?

agreed getbusyliving. My decision to check out the SWP was probably tied to a psychological malfunction enhanced by being a Jehovah's Witness. That being said I don't think I'm the only one who develops those kinds of issues after leaving the org. There are quite a few others that bounce from one high control group to another. Considering that there are quite a few out there that are FAR WORSE than the JW's perhaps it's better that they stay put.

Lets face it, many people lack the intelectual honesty (though not capacity, there are many intelligent people in the org) to admit when they are being told an obvious bare faced lie by someone or something they beleive in. If the Org is gone they will just go find someone else to lie to them. For the sake of that person I would rather have 10 GB's than one Jim Jones or David Koresh.

All that being said I don't think the Socialist Worker's Party is any more destructive of a cult than the JW's, in fact it's probably much less. But what if I had run into a group of Hare Krishna devotees instead?

Ticker

I agree they are not, or at least till this point in time for say as shocking in the loss of life on such a massive scale at once. If you add up all the deaths over time though due to blood tranfusion refusal, organ transplant refusal, the Malawi incident, suicide due to induced guilt and dogmatism put forth with an iron fist, the Governing Body carries alot of bloodshed on its hands. The thing that still amazes me is how these ones could know their policies lack credential and full scriptural support, and still dogmatically force them upon their following even if resulting in their death. I dont want to kill the org either, but I want the Governing Body to accept their responsibility by owning up to the fact that they presumed alot of their core doctrine(especially the chronology), apologize without justifying their wrong, and completely admit that what they put forth is strictly their opinion based upon their interpretation. I would like to see everyone be able to experience free will and reasoning and not be dogmatically led into lies. I doubt that this would happen though, as I feel they lack true humility when it comes to fessing up to error, and so hopefully people will eventually awaken, but yes if someone came to me with serious questions, I would do all I could to show them the truth about the truth.

Ticker

Toronto_Guy

I grew up a very zealous Witness, in a very zealous Witness family, and was df'd last year at age 24 (while serving as a regular pioneer at the time). In doing research on the Internet and sites like this, my eyes have truly been opened. I also feel some anger, shock and bitterness at what I have found. My parents and brother and sisters have not talked to me or seen me since I was df'd, as they are truly "hardcore" Witnesses. This is sad, especially since we were always a very close family.

As much as I'd love to talk to my family again, however, I do tend to think that even if they were ever willing to know the real truth (which I doubt they ever would be), it might just be too much for them to handle. I've even questioned whether it would be loving on my part to try to share it with them. Most likely they would just hang up the phone on me. But even if they did let me talk, I think hearing me sound like an "apostate" (as opposed to just someone living a "worldly" life) would be too much for them to bear. It would hurt them even more.

My parents, although they never talked about 1975 (I wonder why!), gave up so much of their life to be good, loyal Witnesses. They never bought a house, even though they had a chance in their younger years. My mother was a missionary and my father regular pioneered and was a elder with 4 young children, for a time. At least in my case, I am only 25 now. I have a future ahead. But for people like my parents, I think it would be so devastating for them to really know the truth. In their case, maybe ignorance really is bliss...

I think that those who are truly happy as Witnesses should be allowed to live the lie...the ones who really need help are the ones who know its not the truth, but feel trapped with no way out. In my experience as a Witness, I knew many very happy Witnesses, and others, who although they would never admit it, were certainly not happy.

Toronto_Guy.

avengers

upside/down

The only thing that keep the WTS from killing you and me is "Caeser"- period! J says eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life...

Do unto others and then split...

u/d

Sunspot

reading these posts I wonder if we are all getting a little one sided in our feelings of the org.

What_Truth,

You are the one who posed the question and yet you come back with a statement like this. Realizing the very nature of this board---what else would you have expected to find?

Not only did the WTS purposely deceive us in many ways from twisted teachings to an odd lifestyle, they have also shredded immeasurable families that will no longer ever be the same. With their haughty claims and arrogant attitude---I can't think of anything better than to be able to see the complete demise of anything WTS. It can't happen soon enough IMHO.

Annie

Fe2O3Girl

There are quite a few others that bounce from one high control group to another. Considering that there are quite a few out there that are FAR WORSE than the JW's perhaps it's better that they stay put.

That there are far worse high control groups than JWs does not make JWs OK. What I would really like to see is a world where people did not feel the need in their lives for whatever these high control groups give them. Failing that, I wish that high control groups were more benevolent to their victims, i.e. no harmful policies. Ultimately, having to wear a skirt to church, or not grow a beard, won't kill you if you like being told what to do, but refusing a blood transfusion may well kill you.

GetBusyLiving

:I think that those who are truly happy as Witnesses should be allowed to live the lie...the ones who really need help are the ones who know its not the truth

Interesting point Toronto_guy, and welcome to the board. I would say though that if they are truly happy witnesses there is no point in trying to change their minds. And for sure, the people who have doubts need help to get out.

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