Sheep & Goat separation takes place during the 1000 years.............

by Schizm 23 Replies latest jw friends

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  Schizm

  .........and the following verse proves it.

  Matt. 25:46 - These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.

  The WTS still says that the sheep/goat separation is premillennial. If that be true, then, according to the verse quoted, just as the goats experience "everlasting cutting off" PRIOR to the millennium the sheep are rewarded with "everlasting life" PRIOR to the millennium. We know, of course, that the prize of lasting life is not awarded to persons until the END of the millennium. Only those who refuse to be misled by Satan when loosed at the end of the millennium will continue living.

  What do YOU think?

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  Bas

  I think it's all bullshit. I mean the bible contains a lot of bullshit and this is some. The year 1000 is a thousand years ago and nothing happened in 2000 (I sure as hell wasn't expecting anything to happen) I refuse to be misled by anything and that includes the bible. Well thats what I think...

  Bas
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  Satanus

  Peter pan must have had life eternal already. He also had the holy spirit a fairy helping him. That means that both the wt's and your fantasies are wrong. On the other hand, perhaps all fantasies, even contradictory ones can coexist. In that case, arguing about which fantasy is correct is really pointless. Have all the fun that you can w yours.
  

  S
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  JAVA

  I've been out of the Tower for many years, and at this point I'm not concerned that God is interested in this type of theology. I don't know if there is a God or not, but if there is, He/She/It is not playing by Watchtower dogma, or any other religious theology created by another.
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  JosephMalik

  We know, of course, that the prize of lasting life is not awarded to persons until the END of the millennium. Only those who refuse to be misled by Satan when loosed at the end of the millennium will continue living.

  Schizm,

  Sorry Schizm but this is just another Watchtower Lie. Everlasting life is awarded to the Saints at the time of their resurrection. This takes place at the beginning of the millennium as they are raised first when our Lord returns. Over them second death has no authority. They will exist together here on earth with the sheep during the millennium and pass the final test along with such faithful sheep they have helped during this era of judgement.
  Joseph
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  Carmel

  Literalism, literalism. All is literalism!

  carm
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  gumby

  What do YOU think?

  I thought you found the Tree of Life, had sex with Lots daughter under it... ( the one with the nice fanny), and were too good for us heathen bastards, and were living forever in peace. What the hell happened?

  Btw....nice to hear from you again, ya sick dweeb

  Gumby
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  Bas

  Everlasting life is awarded to the Saints at the time of their resurrection. This takes place at the beginning of the millennium as they are raised first when our Lord returns. Over them second death has no authority. They will exist together here on earth with the sheep during the millennium and pass the final test along with such faithful sheep they have helped during this era of judgement.
  Joseph

  Well Joseph, I don't know what you are on but this is as ridiculous as what the Watchtower proposes. It's rubbish!

  Bas
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  Leolaia

  One main problem is that the concept of a millenium is found in the NT only in Revelation. Matthew explicitly has the gathering of the chosen and the separation of the righteous and the wicked (and each being sent to different destinations) happening at the coming of the Son of Man. Thus:
  

  "The Son of Man will send his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all the things that provoke offenses and all who do evil, and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth. Then the virtuous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of the Father." (Matthew 13:40-43)

  "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and, when he does, he will reward each one according to his behavior. I tell you solemnly, there are some of these standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom." (Matthew 16:27-28)

  "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, escorted by all the angels, then he will take his seat on his throne of glory. All the nations will be assembled before him and he will separate men one from another as the shepherd separates sheep from goats. He will place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right hand, 'Come, you whom my Father has blessed, take for your heritage the kingdom prepared for you since the foundation of the world.' .... Next he will say to those on his left hand, 'Go away from me, with your curse upon you, to the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.' .... And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the virtuous to eternal life." (Matthew 25:31-46)

  This concept is also dependent on 1 Enoch 1:9, which has the divine judgment occurring at the coming of the Lord with his holy ones (cf. Jude 14-15, which quotes this verse as concering Judgment Day). 2 Thessalonians 1:6, ff. also has the separation of the righteous and the wicked as occurring "when the Lord Jesus appears in heaven with the angels of his power". Since these are events associated with Christ's parousia, the Society has long (e.g. before 1995) been able to situate the separation of the sheep and goats as during the invisible presence. Other aspects of Judgment Day (such as the actual execution of judgment on the earth and judgment of the resurrected) the Society has arbitrarily extended to Armageddon and the Thousand Years -- both concepts from Revelation which have been imposed on Matthew. Note that in Paul (1 Thessalonians 4, 1 Corinthians 15) the resurrection occurs at the "last trumpet" at Jesus' coming, and in Matthew 25 the chosen are gathered by the angels at the sounding of a loud "trumpet" at the coming of the Son of Man. Revelation inserts a millenium into the scheme and thus has two resurrections -- the first resurrection of the elect who would reign with Christ for a thousand years and a second resurrection after the thousand years of the "rest of the dead". Only after this second resurrection are the final judgments given, with the wicked being sent to the "lake of fire". The important thing to recognize is that this is a different scenario than the one given in Matthew. That work has no concept of a thousand-year interval between the coming of the Son of Man and his angels and the separation of the righteous and the unjust. The problem arises only when Revelation is harmonized with Matthew.
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  Bas

  Leolaia, why do you waste your time and energy on something that was never meant to be?