What about Zoar

by tijkmo 4 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  tijkmo

  Question: Why are these people not going to be resurrected according to the WTS? Do you remember ever reading where Lot and his family preached/warned these people?
  

  This ? came up in blondies (are you male or female) wt discusion and i had in mind to pose this ? anyway:

  When the tsunami struck we were discussing it after the group study and someone commented on what to say to the idea that it was an act of God...Someone else remembered a talk that had been given showing what constitutes an act of God and said that it would have to be selective so no righteous died and that God wouldnt ever act without first giving a warning and quoted as examples noah & sodom/gomorrah...so i said oh when did sodom & gomorrah get preached to then...shocked look as if to say how dare you question something we've always believed with anything resembling reason and truth..speedy recovery though--ah well j. had already seen that there was no one righteous there..hold on i said..j had also condemned the nearby city of zoar to destruction but when lot kept dragging his feet and then complained that running to the hills was just a bit too much to ask for survival j let him go to zoar thereby sparing the city from destruction...

  so...was it not possible for j to insist lot fled to the hills or the angels who dragged him out anyway just to keep dragging him...thereby ensuring that zoar that had already been judged worthy of destruction got destroyed...if not then why condemn it in the first place..response--j obviously destroyed it later..well guess what..he didnt.zoar continued for centuries meaning that all the inhabitants that died natural deaths will get a ressurection.

  conclusion....sodom and gomorrah inhabitants must get a ressurection...sure they died at the time for there sinfulness probably because they posed a threat to the human race survival (aids would have arrived much sooner had it not been checked imho) but nineveh proved that condemned people preached to can turn around and sodom & gomorrah were never given that opportunity.

  interestingly in a recent wt that discusses the ressurection it makes the point that korah dathan and abiram who were executed by j went into sheol and not gehenna so will get a ressurection from there..tijkmo
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  minimus

  First, Blondie's a woman...Regarding the whole account, it makes no sense. Period!
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  Narkissos

  Had Armaggedon come before June 1st, 1988 they would have been resurrected...
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  Pole

  hi tijkmo

  conclusion....sodom and gomorrah inhabitants must get a ressurection...

  That's a tough one, actually:

  http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Changes/changes.htm:

  The Men of Sodom

  1879 The men of Sodom will be resurrected

  Watchtower July 1879 p 8
  The Watchtower in July 1879 stated that the men of Sodom will be resurrected, (summary not a quote).

  1952 The men of Sodom will not be resurrected

  Watchtower 6/1/1952 p 338
  Similarly, Sodom did not endure its judgment day, had failed completely, and the Jews knew its fate was sealed. Their opinion of Sodom was the lowest possible. So when Jesus told them that it would be more endurable for utterly depraved Sodom than for these Jewish cities they got the powerful point.
  These Jewish cities had heard the warning and had seen powerful works; they had had their fair judgment trial and by their decision showed they were worthy of eternal destruction.

  1965 The men of Sodom will be resurrected

  Watchtower 8/1/1965 p 479
  Then the next verse refers to the Judgment Day, saying: ?Consequently I say to you people, It will be more endurable for the land of Sodom on Judgment Day than for you.? (Matt. 11:24) Similarly, at Matthew 10:15 are recorded Jesus? words: ?Truly I say to you, It will be more endurable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on Judgment Day than for that city? where the people would reject the message carried by Jesus? disciples. For it to be ?more endurable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah? than for others, it would be necessary for former inhabitants of that land to be present on Judgment Day. It is not the literal land, the ground, that is to be judged. Revelation chapter 20 shows that it will be persons raised from the dead who will stand ?before the throne.? Nor will judgment be passed on them as groups, as former inhabitants of certain lands, but they will be ?judged individually according to their deeds? during the time of judgment. So apparently individuals who used to live in that land will be resurrected.?Rev. 20:12, 13.

  1988 The men of Sodom will not be resurrected

  Watchtower 6/1/1988 p 31
  Consequently, in addition to what Jude 7 says, the Bible uses Sodom/Gomorrah and the Flood as patterns for the destructive end of the present wicked system. It is apparent, then, that those whom God executed in those past judgments experienced irreversible destruction. Of course, each of us can confirm that by his proving faithful to Jehovah now. In that way we will qualify to be alive in the new world to see whom he resurrects and whom he does not. We know that his judgments are perfect. Elihu assured us: ?For a fact, God himself does not act wickedly, and the Almighty himself does not pervert judgment.??Job 34:10, 12.You Can Live Forever in Paradise 1982 edition The men of Sodom will be resurrected

  You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth 1982
  The 1982 edition of "You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth" stated the men of Sodom will resurrected, (summary not a quote) the 1989 edition was changed to what you read below.

  You Can Live Forever in Paradise 1989 edition The men of Sodom will not be resurrected

  You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth 1989
  Will such terribly wicked persons be resurrected during Judgment Day? The Scriptures indicate that apparently they will not. For example, one of Jesus? inspired disciples, Jude, wrote first about the angels that forsook their place in heaven to have relations with the daughters of men. Then he added: ?So too Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them, after they in the same manner as the foregoing ones had committed fornication excessively and gone out after flesh for unnatural use, are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.? (Jude 6, 7; Genesis 6:1, 2) Yes, for their excessive immorality the people of Sodom and of the surrounding cities suffered a destruction from which they will apparently never be resurrected.?2 Peter 2:4-6, 9, 10a

  Pole
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  mjl

  Well done Pole....I was always taught if someone is killed by God, that person is receiving final judgement. Except for Judas who killed himself bt sinned against the "Holy Spirit." Any of this making sence?