A comment I heard tonight

by Generic Man 300 Replies latest jw experiences

  • catchthis
    catchthis

    That's fine if you don't want to address the meat of my comments - it seems to be working for you with other posters as well.

    The refusal to disclose a matter doesn't prove that the person "doesn't know himself". From here on out you'll be playing your "game" all by yourself.

    Without restating my previous comments again, I've made my point, you couldn't rebuff them, case closed.

    Just remember, don't come crying to me for help when you contract AIDS. LOL! I can read your heart condition too and I choose not to divulge the cure to you!

  • adelmaal
    adelmaal

    isn't abstinence the cure for aids

  • iiz2cool
    iiz2cool
    The refusal to disclose a matter doesn't prove that the person "doesn't know himself".

    In a court of law, evidence that is not presented is not considered. That's a no brainer. You can't expect to be taken seriously when you claim to have evidence of something yet refuse to disclose it.

    As far as children being destroyed at armageddon goes, doesn't the bible say that children are not to be held responsible for the transgressions of their parents? Destroying children at armageddon would contradict that.

    Besides, if JWs truly love their neighbors as they claim, they should consider it a privilege to care for any orphaned children whose parents have become like "manure on the surface of the ground." I would have.

    Walter

  • bebu
    bebu

    First, don't JWs believe that all creatures belong to God, and Christ is the perfect Judge?? Why speak as if they knew how Christ would judge children--esp. given his comments about the Kingdom of HEAVEN belonging to those who are like little children. The basic qualities of children are not scorned by God who created each of them; rather, children lead us by their meekness (well, the girls generally are more meek!).

    I agree with the beliefs of the church I attend, that says simply that the ultimate fate of any one person does not rest upon others' failures.

    I do not subscribe to the doctrine of Armageddon, btw...

    bebu

  • Brummie
    Brummie

    OK, I didnt read the entire thread. The watchtower teaches that children will be killed. Look at the images in the literature and see them falling in the hole with everyone else.

    Children are likened to a snakes offspring and thus deserve to die? What happened to "undeserved kindness"? Disgusting WT religion, with no value for children or anyone but themselves, they are themseles the offspring of vipers.

    Lets use WT reasoning....JWS assume that the kids are the offspring of evil and Jah knows beforehand that they will grow up wicked, so he kills them while they are young for acts that they havent carried out yet but would have if he had let them grow up! Yet, at the same time they argue that Jah chooses not to know the future of men. Jah didnt know whether Jesus would be faithful. Jah doesnt know if the anointed will remain faithful so he has to replace them occasionally. Yet he knows these kids of the evil people will grow up wicked?

    Jah sent Jonah to Niniva to warn the people to stop their wicked ways, the WT ponted out that the Ninevites were cruel because they killed people in merciless ways. So Jah is going to kill the kids in the same way as the ninivites did, without mercy? Why do the kids deserve to die? JWs have hardened their hearts and conscious, starved of natural compassion they sit in meetings and nod at how "right" the WT is.

    Colour me confused...

    Brummie

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  • lilbit
    lilbit

    I have had it out with my parents soooo many times on this topic its one of the main resons I dont go to the meetings anymore. I just cant even comprehend of a loving god slaughtering innocent children. When my mom starts crying about us dying at armageddon I just tell her to relax. if shes there and me and my kids arent. then Jah will make her forget about us anyway.

  • Jez
    Jez
    Yes, I do know what they claimed. And, no that isn't my "big secret". And, yes, I'm very definitely suggesting that "they are withholding the real reason they were involved with the UN." And, as I've already said: It was nothing more than "theocratic warfare," waged for a purpose that I won't disclose to you.

    Why should we believe you that it 'was nothing'? Your "take my word for it" attitude is very JWish. You don't even go to meetings, yet you have INSIDE information? Give over! Why don't you go to meetings?

    Jez

    Come on Schizm: Will you share your story? Jez

  • Generic Man
    Generic Man


    A reponse to Schizm:

    It is not nationalistic/patriotic.

    True, but that are not politically neutral as they claim to be. After all, they do have a clear position regarding social issues like abortion, assisted suicide, and the rights of homosexuals. These are political issues whether you like it or not.

    It understands the true nature of God (that he's not a trinity).

    The only reason they are non-trinitarians is because of the tradition established by Russell and where did he get his education? Not by any serious study, but he simply conformed to the teachings of seventh day adventists. They said some things that he liked so he adopted their teachings into his own religion. Then he made that religion so he could get some attention and inflate his ego. In fact, it was so inflated, he started making some unfounded predictions and when those predictions failed, he made more predictions until he died.

    It rejects the notion of an "immortal soul."

    It is not clear to me whether there is such a thing as an immortal soul. I have read much on the mind/body debate and I have found that dualism is coherent, although it would be a extremely hard to verify. That is not to say that I believe dualism is true, but it seems just as plausible as any other materialist theory of the mind. But if I were to believe in such a thing, it would be based on sound reasoning rather than the precious traditions of some religion.

    It doesn't follow the world's practices (Christmas; Easter; Valentine's Day; Halloween; etc)

    There is nothing wrong with these holidays. They are just looking for any excuse to alienate their followers from "the world," even if it means worrying them to death with things that don't matter. By the way, people who celebrate holidays are not worshiping some Roman god.

    It recognizes that God's original purpose for the earth hasn't changed (Paradise earth).

    Based on what? God's purpose as told to us by the old men from Brooklyn. The same old men who got their traditions from men like Russell, Rutherford, and Fred Franz.

    It doesn't allow people who engage in filthy or immoral practices to be part of the Congregation unless they're willing to stop such practices.

    Would such "filthy or immoral practices" include communication with opposers to the oganization? Those people they call apostates? Apparently having a thought that does not conform to the WTBS' rigid and arbitrary policies is also "filthy" and "immoral." For the WTBS, cleanliness means blind obedience to the Governing Body.

    It requires its members to share their faith with people of the world.

    Yes it does. It requires its's members to propagate flawed doctrines and nonsense.

    It requires its members to participate during meetings, rather than just sit in silence.

    Depends on what you mean by "participate." If participation means having to listen to someone read from a article and then repeat exactly what has been already stated. The material and they way the material is propogated shows no respect for it audience; it treats them like children. Sitting in silence would be just as productive.

    Don't take it personally Schizim. But you have to see the organization for what it is.

  • jeanniebeanz
    jeanniebeanz
    JW's teach that children will be killed if they are not associated with JW's in some way. Period. Always taught that, always will.--catchthis.

    Obviously Catchthis hadn't read the entire thread, and was just going on what Jeannie stated.

    No, actually he was going on experience and personal knowledge and stated fact.

    J

  • Heatmiser
    Heatmiser
    Do you realize how many Godless parents there are in the world? Since those who survive Armageddon will be God-fearing people only, which, as you surely must agree are by far in the great minority, surely you don't expect that the survivors should shoulder the responsibilities that you yourself asked for when you lay there with your husband and agreed to conceive a child?

    Why don't you tell it like it realy is JIZZM? There are more people on this planet that worship some form of god than not. It is only in the whoreship of Jegoober thru the FDS that they will survive according to WTBTS teachings. Who the hell you think you are arguing with, a bunch of people that know nothing about the teachings of the WTBTS? The majority of people on this board have been in this cult for decades and decades. So acting all assholish indignent about the truth of the troof will get you exactly nowhere here.

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