Schizm,
No, I think I have gotten quite a lot right about you. As have others only to receive the same arrogant treatment from you. One example out of hundreds:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79197/1303820/post.ashx#1303820
I believe that you have some major differences of opinion with the Society, not just the issue of Ehud. I believe that you are a brother in good standing in the congregation, but inactive in spite of your protestations otherwise (
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/79678/1302812/post.ashx#1302812
). It is possible to be inactive and in good standing in practice. Whether or not the WTBTS admits this or not in print, I have witnessed it in practice in every congregation I have attended so my opinion of your standing in the congregation, if you even still go, stands. I also believe that you are a JW if even a marginal one because you have discussed "ceasing" meeting attendance and field service.
However, you are secretly an apostate, biding your time hoping for a change in the organization that will make it come around to your line of reasoning. According to the Watchtower of Aug 1, 1980 a meaning of the term apostate can be ?a standing away from?. In that context, your views on the following WT teachings clearly are apostate, since they 'stand away from' the printed understanding:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/65251/1008830/post.ashx#1008830
A certain JW doesn't believe in the 1914 doctrine any longer.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/64226/988448/post.ashx#988448
Quote: Can you think of anything that JWs believe in that is clearly unproveable???
Yes. The doctrine of 1914 is one such example.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/65251/1011635/post.ashx#1011635
Of course I personally don't accept the 1914 doctrine, for more than one reason, but I disagree with people who say that the WTS is guilty of "lying" in relation to their 607 date.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/67013/1041582/post.ashx#1041582
You won't get very far there either, at least not at the present time (a problem that stems from the faulty 1914 doctrine).
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/72421/1156941/post.ashx#1156941
How that anyone who knows the 1914 doctrine is based on error but still yet manages to participate in field service and meeting attendance is a huge mystery to me.
Schizm, this is a major departure from the Societies teachings. You are clearly an apostate as well as a hypocrite for continuing to defend the Society knowing what you do about the cornerstone of their belief system. It is clear that you do not think the Society is lying, but is mistaken. This may be what makes it okay in your mind to stay with them.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/65251/1010412/post.ashx#1010412
It seems that some people tend to think of an inacuracy as always being "a lie" ... instead of an error. Yes, although something that isn't "true" can be a "lie," there is such a thing as someone sincerely believing that something is true and accurate, yet is not ... which of course is then NOT "a lie".
Other evidences of your apostasy including an admission of yours:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/79678/1302812/post.ashx#1302812
You know what? That makes me an "apostate" too ... because I've independently reached conclusions that are different from the Watchtower's explanations of some things.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/64226/988462/post.ashx#988462
God didn't *create* Adam and Eve directly, so why would he *communicate* with them directly?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/64226/988531/post.ashx#988531
I have no problem with the particular "policy" of which you speak. However, I do fail to see how a *woman* can be one of the 144,000 (a king and priest during Christ's reign) and yet not qualify to represent the congregation in prayer, etc.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/71192/1127216/post.ashx#1127216
I believe that the "tree of life" contained the unique ingredients that Adam & Eve needed in order to sustain their lives forever. I also believe that they were at least periodically eating from this tree, for the reason that the other tree was the only one of the two that was off-grounds for them.
After just a few months of posting here, your frustration in not winning arguments was really beginning to become aggressive and you resorted to two year old politics of throwing a temper tantrum and deleting one of your posted topics because the answers that were coming in were not to your liking:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/70607/1115034/post.ashx#1115034
Schism,
You've deleted your earlier comments for some strange reason. You've also inserted a post " A man that was pushed too far" that appears to be some kind of threat.
I'm putting you in the cooler for 72 hours.
By the middle of May last year you just self-destructed due to the increasing fire you were taking, into a rather bitter, disillusioned soul. This happened for good, I believe in a thread entitled "What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?" Located here:
http://www.jehovahswitness.com/12/71192/1126943/post.ashx#1126943
I believe that it was at this point not quite a year ago that you decided that you were having more fun being a jerk than actually discussing the issues in a spirit of reaching a common understanding. You really began to come into your own as the board jack**s.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/71192/1127315/post.ashx#1127315
Abaddon,
I've gone to the trouble to lead you to the waterhole. Now drink you dumb bastard, drink! You're not getting any more hay 'till you drink ... so drink you dumb bastard, drink!
The only threads you have had or engaged in, in a reasonable way have been those that have no seriously adverse opinions expressed of your conclusions.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/71972/1145958/post.ashx#1145958
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/72046/1147722/post.ashx#1147722
There have been a few threads since where you have shown a sense of humor. I was surprised to find that you are even a Johnny Cash fan (*gasp* I can almost forgive you all things on that basis, lol). But your posts for the most part have been rude, argumentative and full of ad homonym.
I believe that the mistake that you made in your reasoning was that you were going to win defenders to your line or reasoning using your ?superior? argumentation skills. Problem is that many if not most of us have been badly hurt by the organization that you so vehemently defend in spite of your own reservations as a brother in good standing who is also inactive. What did you expect, man? Most people here are wise to the errors of the WTBTS and just don?t want to hear it defended any more. Especially by a verbally abusive, inactive brother who has his own doubts about the Org., and posts them on an Ex-Witness site.
If you want to be a witness, by all means, go be a witness. Don?t hang about with people who have no interest in defending their lies any longer and then bemoan that fact that you are not, and will not, ?getting through? to them.
Your frustration is that you were so convinced that you could "make a difference" here that when you could not persuade us you lashed out at us rather than admitting that your premise was flawed. This is in line with your reasoning when calling on a policeman to have him forcibly remove a teenagers tee shirt because the words "F*** You" printed on the back offended you. (
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/71596/1137574/post.ashx#1137574
) It speaks volumes to me as to how highly you value your own opinions over the opinions of others. Calling a cop to deal with your hurt feelings. That?s actually pretty funny when I think about it.
What saddens me though is that you are obviously not stupid, and yet you now share the distinction of the title ?Village Idiot? with Scholar. You have demonstrated that, to a point, you can write convincing arguments, but when the challenges start flying, you cave into ad homonym ("Someone challenged me, call the police!!") rather than hit the books for answers or just saying "I don?t know." You seem to despise those who question you or worse engage in the terrible ?sin? of calling you what you are. I hope that you do not treat your wife with the same disdain when she questions you, but sadly, having known men in your age group who are just as backward thinking, she most likely puts up with a lot of verbal putdowns. You are someone who seems to have given up on his original intent of discussing teachings of the WTBTS when joining this site and now just wants to rile people up. I picture a 66-year-old man with a magnifying glass heating up an anthill. He?s angry that his religion does not see things his way and is just taking it out on those who had the good sense to leave.
Many people here have pointed out your bent for ad homonym and rudeness, which you yourself have acknowledged. Just a couple examples:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79197/1303198/post.ashx#1303198
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79197/1303202/post.ashx#1303202
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79197/1311440/post.ashx#1311440
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79504/1296026/post.ashx#1296026
People in your current frame of mind are not worth discussing the issues with since you are not interested in any of our opinions unless they agree with yours, no matter how much effort we put into replies to you. You do not answer questions put to you if they are uncomfortable and then you claim that others do not address your points. You flip flop on issues, condone lying and subterfuge, are disloyal to your religion while you berate people who have had the courage to leave it because they cannot stand the hypocrisy, and then accuse those who have left of hypocrisy.
In truth, I don?t know why you stay here especially in light of your own comments so long ago:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/79678/1302322/post.ashx#1302322
This IS an apostate board, a board comprised of people that is biased against any thought which might threaten their interests and the decision they've made to abandon what they once embraced as truth but now consider as evil.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79197/1303198/post.ashx#1303198
A Christian's time is more valuable than to expend it on person's who aren't interested in learning about why we die, why the world is in the shape its in, what hope there is for the future, etc.
At any rate, I am quite done with you.
Have fun shredding me publicly in my absence!
Jean
