Adam & Eve

by startingover 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • startingover
    startingover

    I was watching a program the other night in which a group of people were reinacting the early American colonist's lives. They were supplied with homes and supplies which replicated the original conditions. I found it interesting how hard of a time they had surviving. In fact, it seemed that's what they spent all their time doing. Gathering wood, cultivating crops, finding food. Leisure time just didn't exist.

    It started me thinking about the story of Adam & Eve. They are always pictured in the WT literature as smiling and well groomed albeit naked. But where did they live? Did they have any shelter? Where did they sleep? Did they just eat fruit? Did they have fire? If so, did they cook their food? What did they cook it in? What did they use for toilet paper?

    It seems to me that life would have been very difficult, even when perfect, compared to the way most of us live today. I remember JW's complaining about this old system of things, and how they long for the paradise, when they will be able to enjoy life without all the stress. Personally, I am willing to put up with some stress to live right now. I like being able to go to a grocery store and pick from an endless variety of food. I like having a toilet with a roll of paper next to it and not have to worry about it after I flush it. I like the thermostat in my hallway that warms or cools me just by moving the dial. Sure walking is nice sometimes, but our transportation system is something I would hate to live without. What would life be like if you couldn't go to the store and buy just about anything you want? The thing is, most of the things we take for granted are only available through the industrialized society which contains some stress.

    I am so glad I live right now. BTW, I think the story of Adam & Even is just that, a story. But I would be interested in some believer's comments about what Adam & eve's life would have been like when they were still perfect.

  • kls
    kls

    I am not much of a believer in Adam & Eve but if living the hard life is all you know and know nothing different ,it really isn't that hard but a way of life .You have nothing to compare it to.

    Adam & Eve if we are to believe the account of Eve taking the apple off the tree that gave all sin ,where did the tree come from in the first place . If God was there to provide these fruit trees ,i am sure he provided most things because as new as babys they knew nothing.

  • The Leological One
    The Leological One
    Adam & Eve if we are to believe the account of Eve taking the apple off the tree that gave all sin ,where did the tree come from in the first place . If God was there to provide these fruit trees ,i am sure he provided most things because as new as babys they knew nothing.

    As one who does consider the account true, I agree that God helped provide for their needs, though if they simply just ate fruits and vegetables, food would not have been a problem. AFA having no modern toilet-action going, etc., I'd think they probably just found a cool bush at least a little distance away and did the squat routine and likely used leaves to wipe with... You're right: what kinda' paradise is this with NO TP~?!?

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    I had a BS with a metally disturbed genius who solve these issues by simply insisting that they never had to go to the bathroom. He reasoned (quite well imo) that no wise god of beauty would have us pooing and smelling up paradise!!! I couldn't argue with that logic.

  • SeymourButts
    SeymourButts
    He reasoned (quite well imo) that no wise god of beauty would have us pooing and smelling up paradise!!! I couldn't argue with that logic.

    Hmmm.....no more poop-chute. I wonder if we would still need two butt-cheeks then? Maybe just one large cheek designed for sitting only. Heck,...if you don't need to pee either, and you can't have kids, would I still have my wiener? for recreational purposes at least?

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    This reminds me of when our daughter was telling her son (age 6 at the time), the Adam and Eve story. He looked at her and said "you don't actually believe that, do you?" She started laughing and told him that she didn't believe it, but she wanted him to learn it. He is a really smart boy (9 now), with a very high IQ. We should have known...............'out of the mouths of babes'.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    I guess my idea of paradise is different. I can't see any reason why we can't have modern technology. We have god-given brains to be able to think of these things. Why would we be told we could learn volumes and volumes of writings? Why would we need perfect minds? To live a primitive existance?

    Man would not be driven by greed, even cars are being made to run with less gasoline.

    I think of paradise as the best of the old and new combined, without polluting the earth, hurting mankind, or nature.

    Mankind would pool all thier knowledge together and not fight each other for being the first country to advance in certain areas to be first.

    We would learn how to invent things that would be earth friendly.

    It is not logical to think we would need to revert back to such primitive ways of life.

    If we think it we can do it.

    purps

  • startingover
    startingover
    He reasoned (quite well imo) that no wise god of beauty would have us pooing and smelling up paradise!!! I couldn't argue with that logic.

    I too was thinking that. Are we really "wonderfully made'? Why do we have a system that requires elimination of waste? I would think an all everything god would be able to come up with a better system.

    Hmmm.....no more poop-chute. I wonder if we would still need two butt-cheeks then? Maybe just one large cheek designed for sitting only. Heck,...if you don't need to pee either, and you can't have kids, would I still have my wiener? for recreational purposes at least?

    Now those are some thought provoking questions!

    He looked at her and said "you don't actually believe that, do you?"

    Well said!

  • Schizm
    Schizm
    What did [Adam & Eve] use for toilet paper? -- startingover.

    Perhaps they simply used H20 in order to clean themselves after having a BM. It's for sure that water does a more thorough job of cleaning feces out of the crack than any brand of toilet paper ever could. Since most people have a bowel movement only once a day anyhow, and most people I know generally take a bath every day, then Adam & Eve could have chosen that time to take their daily bath.

    Today, thanks to modern technology, there's even things such as this:

    bidet-- A fixture similar in design to a toilet that is straddled for bathing the genitals and the posterior parts.

    Features



    List Price: $278.60

    Notice the last part, under "Cleansing after easing nature". It says, "You don't need to use toilet paper [anymore]." Wow! ... considering the high price of toilet paper, think of the enormous savings that can be had by just owning a bidet. You can get one of these things for as little as $278.60. So, guys and gals, given today's technology, there's no longer any excuse for anyone to be running around with half-clean butts.

    Pulsing Action
    This increases the cleansing capacity of the water jet by rhythmically varying its strength between high and low. Pulsing lasts as long as the pulse button is held. Click here to see demo.

    Ocsillating Action
    This means that the warm water jet, which is filled out with air bubbles to give it the required volume, sways very slightly from side to side as it washes to ensure complete cleansing.

    Don't put it off, get yours TODAY!

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  • Schizm
    Schizm

    In case the "bidet" facinates you as much as it does Gumby:

    Bidet History

    The earliest known written reference to the bidet is dated 1710. The bidet originated in France, at a time when full body bathing was done once a week. It was invented to cleanse the 'private' areas of the body, in-between regularly scheduled baths.

    In 1750, the bidet à seringue appeared. It provided an upward spray through the use of a hand-pump fed by a reservoir.

    Until the 1900's the bidet was confined to the bedroom, along with the chamber pot (a bucket that served as a toilet.)

    Modern plumbing brought the bidet into the bathroom. Where it sits next to the toilet.

    Popularity of the Bidet
    In continental Europe, the usefulness of the bidet is fully understood and is considered to be as important in the bathroom as the toilet and the tub - no well equipped home is without one.

    However, most Americans have never seen a bidet. Those who have, have generally observed them in upscale hotels, either in the U.S. or in Europe. Rare is the American home that actually has one!

    To some, this seems a bit strange, considering the American preoccupation with cleanliness. But the majority of Americans start their day in the shower, rather than visit the bath tub once a week. Thus the use of the bidet for personal hygiene has not yet taken on an important role in America.

    It is interesting to note, that American plumbing manufacturers are among the top producers of bidets, and almost all of these are exported to other countries.

    Who uses them and why?

    The bidet can and is be used by both men and women. Bidets offer the user a hands-free and supposedly superior water wash in place of the wiping and occasionally irritating action of toilet paper.
    An invaluable aid to person hygiene, the bidet is gaining popularity among senior citizens, the disabled and those with impaired motor functions. or incontinence.

    Bidets are also used for sitz baths. A sitz bath (also called a hip bath) is a type of bath in which only the hips and buttocks are soaked in water or saline solution. Its name comes from the German verb sitzen, meaning to sit

    A sitz bath is used for patients who have had surgery in the area of the rectum, or to ease the pain of hemorrhoids, uterine cramps, prostate infections, painful ovaries, and/or testicles. It is also used to ease discomfort from infections of the bladder, prostate, or vagina. Inflammatory bowel diseases are also treated with sitz baths.

    In America, the bidet has developed an aura of indelicacy, largely due to its primary use - to clean the private body parts. But the bidet can be used for anything a wash basin is used for. From foot baths, to hand washing clothes, to soaking tennis shoes!

    The Modern Bidet

    Today's bidet is a sit-down wash basin. Usually made from vitreous china, it is styled to resemble the shape of the toilet. The bidet is placed next to the toilet in the bathroom, an arrangement meant to encourage personal hygiene.

    There are four basic types of bidets:

    Over the Rim

    This model is fitted with a standard faucet. The bowl is filled with water the same way you fill a sink. This is generally the cheapest and simplest type to install. Having a rimless bowl makes easy to clean.

    Heated Rim (flushing rim)

    This unit has Hot/Cold handles on top, but the water enters the bowl below the rim of the basin.

    Spray

    The more popular models are equipped with a spray, which provides a gentle shower. There are two type of sprays:

    Vertical which has a fountain jet in the center of the bowl, and horizontal, which has special over the rim spout that delivers a horizontal stream of water.

    There is a possible risk of water becoming contaminated from back siphonage created by spray fittings. These units must be installed using backflow prevention devices, and should be installed by a plumbing contractor. As usual, consult local building codes before installing.

    Combination

    Some models combine the heated rim and a vertical spray option in one unit.

    Styles

    Bidets are offered in a host of styles, from the traditional to the contemporary, matching the toilet.

    HOW do you use them?

    The conventional bidet is designed to be sat upon, legs astride, facing the taps (faucet). While sitting, you simply turn on the water. When the temperature is to your liking, you increase the pressure to direct a stream or spray of water towards those spots in need of cleansing.

    Some models are designed with seats, and the user sits on the bidet, the same way they would on a toilet. Controls for these models can be at the side, the front, or the rear of the unit.

    A wall mounted grab bar helps the user get up and down easily.
    To make it more convenient for the user, place a shelf near the bidet to hold soaps, wash clothes, and towels.

    Now wuden't dat inneristing?

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