You'll see, someone of real conscience will come, a real Christian...... (page 2)

LittleToe

I should be shocked, but I'm not.

On one level I'm shocked that I'm not shocked, given that most people at least have some "inner voice" telling them what's appropriate.

I'm numbed at the lack of love.

(((Gill & Hubby)))

Gill

Hi MidwichCuckoo, Sirona, LittleToe.

When we first heard there was to be no funeral, we were very shocked but not very surprised.

You need love to put yourself through going to the funeral of a loved person, and the need to be there and say goodbye. Many JWs seem to use their belief system as an excuse not to take account of the important institutions in life, such as funerals and their ceremonial value, even birthdays and other family celebrations.

Looking at Wild Thing's post this morning I'm wondering is 'No Funeral' just a memorial service going to become a new JW 'thing' so as not to make the deceased more important than the WTBTS or the KH, in the same way as you can't have a birthday and be important or 'special' for a day.

Their lack of Real Love is stunning!

If it doesn't involve 'placing' a Watchtower or advertising the WTBTS in a talk at the KH then it's unimportant and shouldn't be done.

JWs take callousness to the extreme!

LittleToe

IMHO it's part of the process of disengaging from the reality of death.
None of us were ever supposed die, remember?

Having been to more than my fair share of funerals (and heading to one in just over an hour, in fact - tragic suicide of a 24yr old) I know what you mean. "Last rites" have been in existance as long as mankind, so I wonder how they can defy this instinctive practice!

Gill

LittleToe - It also reminds me of an annoying phrase that JWs tend to come out with when someone has died , that of - 'Well at least they're through to the New System now and don't have to go through the Great Tribulation and Armageddon. Jehovah will remember them!'

It can never be better to have been very sick and died.

It can never be better not to have acknowledged them for their own individual worth and value and spend time praising them instead of the WTBTS.

LittleToe

I wonder if they ever considered what these ones would have said to them, on their reappearance in the "New System" TM ?

"You b*st*rds left me to rot in pain, and did any of you bother attending my funeral?!!!"
ZAPP!!!

Gill

Now There's a thought!!!

luna2

Gill, such a sad situation for you and your grandfather.

Seems that JW's are able to rationalize everything. He's "asleep" so he has no knowledge of who's there at his funeral or not...or even if he has a funeral. We'll all throw a big party when we greet him at the resurrection. Though, I must say that even if such a hope was true and your grandpa resurrected, I'd hardly think he'd be in charity with your aunt and those who swiped his money, interred him in a home, and hardly bothered to visit him in his final months.

It's sickening how many JW's discard relatives and friends when they become infirm and then have a sactimonious memorial service after to show what a loving and caring bunch they really are. What a crock.

Crumpet

Gill I am absolutely shocked and appalled.

I would want to go round and shout at this unloving callous daughter so that all her neighbours could know just what JWs are like - they dont even hold a funeral service for their parents nor do they respect their dying wishes. In fact if I could i would place an advert in the local paper naming and shaming her. Disgusting despicable woman.

Hugs to you and your hubby.

crumpet x

Honesty

Looking at Wild Thing's post this morning I'm wondering is 'No Funeral' just a memorial service going to become a new JW 'thing' so as not to make the deceased more important than the WTBTS or the KH, in the same way as you can't have a birthday and be important or 'special' for a day.

How sad that the WTBTS is going to use death to promote the 'kingdom.' I have noticed that everything about the WTBTS involves death, hatred and negative thinking about anything that is good.

I hope you Grandfather is in a place of peace and happiness.

Gill

Hi and thanks Honesty, luna2 and Crumpet.

Thinking of the things you have all said, makes me realise more how twisted WTBTS thinking perverts even the most natural of actions and emotions.

Crumpet - the 'disgusting' word! You reminded me of when we went round to try to talk to hubbys parents about our having Grandpa come to live with us and we were called disgusting over and over again by my parents in law.

They claimed hubby was disgusting for going to a solicitor to try and help Grandpa. He was 'disgusting' for our going over to stay at Grandpa's so that we could take him out of the hospital EVERY single day early in the morning till late in the evening to be in his own home, as this was obviously making him happy and his health improve. Hubby was 'disgusting' for visiting Grandpa regularly without first asking his parents permission. I, it seemed, was 'disgusting' for simply being alive.

So and so thought we were disgusting. Their solicitor thought we were 'disgusting'. The nurses at the hospital thought we were 'disgusting'.

Yeah Well! We didn't believe a word of it as we knew our motives had only been good!

And, I'd like to say publicly now, 'We are not disgusting!'

You'll see, someone of real conscience will come, a real Christian......

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