Talk Origins internet site

by hooberus 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    "Talk Origins" http://www.talkorigins.org is frequently used as a resource for origins research for laymen. The site claims to be "Exploring the Creation Evolution Controversy" I believe that many people consider that it is an objective, accurate resource.

    This thread is about some issues/problems that I have found on the site.

    Note: This thread is specifically about the Talk Origins site (and not others sites nor persons), if you can't keep to the subject please do not post here. Also, please keep the tone objective and to the subject. A moderator will be requested in the event of attempted off topic (non Talk Origins) issues, disruptive conduct, personal attacks, or other conduct that appears to be out of order with proper discourse.

    If you can't abide by the above please do not post.

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    While the site prominenetly claims to be "Exploring the Creation Evolution Controversy" we also read on the welcome page:

    http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/welcome.html

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    "W hy doesn't the archive contain any articles that support creationism?"

    The Talk.Origins Archive exists to provide mainstream scientific responses to the frequently asked questions and frequently rebutted assertions that appear in talk.origins. The archive's policy is that readers should be given easy access to alternative views, but those who espouse alternative views should speak for themselves. Hence, the archive supplies links to relevant creationist web sites within many of its articles. It also maintains a frequently updated and extensive list of creationist and catastrophist web sites so that readers may familiarize themselves with anti-evolutionary perspectives on scientific issues.

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    Thus the "Exploring" in "Exploring the Creation Evolution Controversy" appears limited to posting only arcticles supporting "mainstream" (ie: "evolutionary") viewpoints, and attempted rebutting of creationist claims.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Science is not like music, there is not "alternative" science along with mainstream science, there is ONLY "mainstream" science.

    And while some newbies to this type of discussion may think "oh, that's not good... see, science is like a religion that doesn't allow other viewpoints", YOU know, and I know, that that is horseshit.

    "Mainstream science" merely means "real" science, and real science is a process, not a community. But you know that, Hooberus.

  • Mac
    Mac

    I thought "Real Science' was a movie?

    mac, swimming upstream in the mainstream class

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    Before moving any further I will now state that I will only respond to comments that feel are relevant and productive to discourse. (Other comments will be ignored by myself).

  • Mac
    Mac

    Official statement by mac......

    "Shits on Hoobs head....."

    we now return you to your regularly scheduled broadcast...

    mac

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Mac, I think in all fairness to Huberous wanting to have a sincere discussion about 'real science' that you should piss off of his thread... I mean we all know the movie you reference is 'real genius' not 'real science'

    alt

    *Meets mac out back for a laugh*

  • Mac
    Mac

    Well, obviously we don't all know that..

    mac

  • hooberus
    hooberus

    Talk Origins contains a popular "Index to Creationist Claims" http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/

    below will be a response to some of these:

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA510.html

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    Claim CA510:

    Creation and evolution are the only two models of origins.

    Source:
    Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, pp. 3, 8-10.

    Response:

    1. There are many mutually exclusive models of creation. Biblical creationism alone includes geocentrism, young-earth creationism, day-age creationism, progressive creationism, intelligent design creationism, and more. And then there are hundreds of very different varieties of creation from other religions and cultures. Some of the harshest criticism of creation models comes from creationists who believe other models.
    2. Many noncreationist alternatives to Darwinian evolution, or significant parts of it, are possible and have received serious attention in the past. These include, among others,
      • orthogenesis
      • neo-Lamarckianism
      • process structuralism
      • saltationism
      (See Wilkins 1998 below for elaboration.)
    3. Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. They coexist in models such as theistic evolution.

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    My comments: There are really only three realistic models for origins:

    • creation
    • evolution
    • some combination of the previous two

    Almost all others can be classified as a subset of one or more of these (for example theistic evolution is a subset of evolution).

  • Mac
    Mac

    And why would one want to flaunt their hubris?

    mac

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